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The hard way
Citizens Police Academy offers first-hand look at use of force

By Tony Raap
Today's News-Herald
Published Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:09 PM MST

The jolt caused Joe Ballistrea’s face to scrunch in pain, his muscles wilting almost on contact. Before he fell to the ground, Ballistrea let out a blood-curdling scream, his body quivering with 50,000 volts of electricity.


Submitted Photo Joe Ballistrea is stunned with a Taser as part of a demonstration on the use of police force, the second in a series of lectures and exercises known as the Citizens Police Academy.

He had just been Tasered.

It was part of a demonstration on the use of police force, the second in a series of lectures and exercises known as the Citizens Police Academy. Ballistrea, the husband of a police officer, had volunteered to be the guinea pig.

“No way you could fight through that. It feels a lot longer than five seconds,” he said afterward.

The issue has been a hot topic among online discussion forums and blogs. Local law enforcement has been criticized for perhaps being too heavy handed, an accusation police say is rooted in misperception.

“How much force should an officer use? No more than is necessary,” Officer Dan Kuch told the class of 30.

Critics, however, point out that a mentally disturbed man was stunned with a Taser in the genitals during an armed standoff with police this past Halloween. Officials have said officers were aiming for the gunman’s chest, claiming that the Taser’s prongs inadvertently struck the man’s genitals instead.

Kuch said most officers prefer using a Taser rather than pepper spray or a police baton. Over time, hardened criminals develop an immunity to pepper spray, and batons are largely viewed as antiquated. Kuch said the Taser is the most effective way to subdue a belligerent suspect.

“The word is out,” he said. When an officer reaches for his Taser, “they’re like, ‘Oh no.’”

In some respects, the Taser is a more humane way to deal with unruly subjects. Unlike pepper spray, which has a lingering aftereffect lasting up to 45 minutes, the Taser is merely a five-second jolt. The recovery time is almost immediate.

Ballistrea was evidence of that. Moments after being Tasered, he was upright and talking, almost as if nothing had happened.

Officer Greg Melodia said the number of officers injured while trying to make an arrest has fallen since the advent of the Taser, though he did not provide statistics. Melodia also said fewer suspects have been injured because of the Taser.

“It makes a big difference,” he said.

The Citizens Police Academy is an 11-week class meant to give ordinary citizens a firsthand look at what police go through. It is not a training academy. The purpose is to give students insight into the world of law enforcement.

You may contact the reporter at raap@havasunews.com.

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    LIFEGOESON wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:35 AM:

    " JM: How true about elvis that is. lmao
    Some times equipment fails it's not the officers wrong doing and we can't expect everyone to understand that. Of course what they read in the paper is going to be the deciding factor that cops are always wrong. I don't relish being on the other side of the radio when my officers advise of any equipment melfunction. Wonder if anyone would be willing to be the taser tester dummy? Can't wait to see how many people I just ticked off ya know people in law enforcement are not allowed to have a sense of humor. "

    doh! wrote on Feb 23, 2008 9:57 PM:

    " And the women in Shreveport got hurt when she "fell down" lol

    Sorry cop lemming (all one of you) You have been shown to be what you are

    Keep it up!! The more you talk the more the cops here look bad "

    JM wrote on Feb 23, 2008 4:39 PM:

    " I read the article and the police accidently tasered a "GUNMAN" in the genitals. Good, in the old days the "GUNMAN" would have been shot. Do you really think accidentaly tasering a "GUNMAN" in the gentitals warrants police abuse?? And i asked for facts. Adding "MARKSMAN" to your little post when that strays from the origional article sounds like opinion to me. I guess if it was written in a DOT COM article it must be true. I also read in some article in the New York Times stating ELVIS is still alive, he's just been hiding out on the international space station eating ho hos and drinking tang. It must be true. "

    enough already wrote on Feb 23, 2008 4:34 PM:

    " okay, isn't that enough time for the bashing to stop. this thread has reached (and gone beyond) its time. "

    30YRRESIDENT wrote on Feb 23, 2008 4:11 PM:

    " keep it up! Dude you have a bad taste in your mouth with the police. Gee wonder why. YOUR WRONG and you know darn well what i'm saying. stop making things here about race. You got hard facts you can prove put up or knock it off "

    Steve wrote on Feb 23, 2008 4:07 PM:

    " Keep It Up is one self centered fool who likes to pay tax increases. On one hand he glorifies over the premise that his verbage on the internet blogs will hopefully keep the summer visitors away. Then on the other hand he will be screaming when his taxes go up as he simply does not understand the process of economics. If monies are lost on one end, they will be made up on the other. The only exception may be in his case that he does not have to pay any taxes and I clearly doubt it is because he is so intelligent. I frankly doubt the blogs will keep the "good" crowd away that has the money to spend. In review of the blogs, most sound like the same person, touting the same topic, showing the same limited intelligence and the only thing different are the alleged names.
    Life Goes On, 1035, JM and Mike-Thanks for your support but we can't change ignorance with logic or intelligence and we must just let them demonstrate their own ill reasoning for everyone to see.
    Steve Out- Night Chet "

    steve is wrong wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:33 PM:

    " Steve. Naturally as a cop you will not think you or anyone in your profession are wrong. Counting on the FBI statistics, which are statistics gathered for and by cops is unrealistic. Also, it does not make you right...it makes you a hypocrit.

    Also, the NY TIMES may be to the left but hardly the "the most liberal". Do you really expect us to read about bad cops in a right wing paper?

    If not for "left wing" papers women and blacks would still be second class citizens with little or no civil rights. "

    Life is RIGHT!! wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:29 PM:

    " LIFEGOESON, I can honestly say I agree with you 100% this time.
    It is a mystery why the City Council does not want the most qualified person on the bench. Maybe they agree with him that the court is a profit center instead of a justice center?

    I hope we can see changes before it cost the taxpayers for the retirement of this man. "

    LIFEGOESON wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:05 PM:

    " " Read the Qualifications: Thank you for posting the qualifications to a mag/judge in tucson. Sorry at this time the qualifications in havasu are not the same maybe someday they will be. And I'm not saying that would be a bad thing..........Who knows if that will change. Seems most people want it to change but for some reason the city council just has not pushed the pen in that direction. "

    Steve wrote on Feb 23, 2008 2:16 PM:

    " Just the Facts- In answer to your question, It makes me right! And further, to quote an article from the New York Times, the most liberal rag in the media circles explains this quote-"If you don't read the papers you are not informed, If you do-you are misinformed".
    Research legal data abundant on the Internet from the FBI's data base or other Court Related Documentation if you want actual truths. And as for the rules of this post-"the use of another person's name to disguise your identity" applies to some morons on this forum. Notice I didn't call you one but if the name fits, your free to accept it. "

    keep it up! wrote on Feb 23, 2008 1:38 PM:

    " 1035 is attemting to avoid answering the question. Point the law that says you must talk to a police officer. You don't, period.

    30yearresident, you mean like when police are called for a man of color walking down the street? Or a Kid. In whose mind is "suspicious". You cannot be arrested for walking on a public sidewalk or a black man cannot be pulled over for driving a bmw, and you cannot be pulled over for having out of state plates (except in Havasu).

    991gal, post away. You are irrelevent and often wrong.

    I was looking at some blogs today and it seems the boycott in Havasu is gaining steam, keep posting police lemmings! "

    1035 wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:11 AM:

    " JM I think the only facts they can post is their reaction to pictures they see in the paper or what they read and feel a tase is just so injust. They need to spend a holiday weekend on the island inplace of havasu pd now that would be entertainment. "

    911gal wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:49 AM:

    " Mr/Mrs Careful: I have no need to be careful of what I post No you have not been in my shoes as much as you have not been in many others shoes nor have I been in others shoes. You may be a retired police officer which by the way makes no difference to me one way or the other. Your not my mother/father so point that finger some place else. I have just as much rights here as YOU or the next person who posts. "

    30YRRESIDENT wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:42 AM:

    " WOW right on so when an officer gets a report from you of a suspicious person walking past their house and the neighbors house that they never seen before and that officer makes contact with that suspicious person to fi that subject they don't have to tell the officer squat. Not what they are doing in the area heck not even a name and dob. They can just turn and walk away. I'll be sure and pass that on to everyone I know. Wow thanks so much for the good information PROVE IT. "

    No Tucson Clyde wrote on Feb 23, 2008 12:33 AM:

    " Read the Qualifications.... I noticed that our City Magistrate does not qualify for the position as he is not, nor has he ever been admitted to practice law for 1 day let alone 5 years. I also notice that it requires good moral character....well that is questionable too. "

    nu2havasu wrote on Feb 23, 2008 12:10 AM:

    " I have seen alot of people driving with Arizona plates that should be TASED for the way they drive. Where do you people get your license from? And I'm not talking about illegal people. I'm talking about all the young and too old to be driving white people that run red lights, speed every where, even in school zones, make illegal turns, run stop signs etc. Slow down and take some driving lessons before you kill someone. "

    Just the facts ma'am wrote on Feb 23, 2008 12:05 AM:

    " Because the poster agreed with steve that talking to an officer is stupid and Steve called the poster and idiot (against the TOS steve, can't follow rules?) what does that make you?

    JM. This article contains a paragraph detailing how the marksmen of our police force hit a man in the genitals. Reread the article please. As for the number, its 280 deaths and its in the new york times. google death, taser. "

    JM wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:21 PM:

    " Response to "deaths by taser": Where did this information about the 270 deaths come from? Can you give the factual source please? People shouldn't claim things are fact without offering the source of the quote or information. Don't you remember anything from elementary school??!! Quote your sources folks. Just wanna see the source or else it's just more rambling garbage. Sources sources sources....... "

    JM wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:13 PM:

    " Can anyone produce some "actuall DOCUMENTED proof" of police abuse in Lake Havasu City involving a taser? That is the topic of the article. Has everyone forgotten that???!!! "

    read the qualifications wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:45 PM:

    " The following is the actual posting for a Magistrate job in Tucson. Pay careful attention to the REQUIRMENTS




    Tucson City Court has one vacancy for a City Magistrate. The successful candidate will be appointed for a term from date of appointment for a period of four (4) years. The City Magistrate-Merit Selection Commission will m ak e a recommendation to the Mayor and Council. Applicants must be: Of good moral character, and a resident of Arizona for one year immediately preceding recommendation, and admitted to the practice of law in Arizona for five years immediately preceding recommendation. Applicants should also be familiar with Supreme Court of Arizona Administrative Orders. Persons seeking appointment shall, as part of the appointment application process, furnish a full set of fingerprints to the City. “Questionnaire for Candidates for Judicial Office” can be obtained at the City Clerk’s Office, 9th floor, City Hall, 255 W. Alameda . Send completed questionnaire to the City Magistrate-Merit Selection Commission, c/o City Clerk, P.O. Box 27210 , Tucson , AZ 85726-7210 . Questionnaires will not be accepted after 5:00 p.m. On Thursday, March 13, 2008. The City of Tucson is an Equal Opportunity Employer. For more information, call the City Clerk’s Office at (520) 791-4213.

    "

    Steve wrote on Feb 22, 2008 6:41 PM:

    " It took a while but (KINDA) the opposit writer finally admitted he was an "Idiot" and "nonsensical pundit who believes he is society's mouthpiece."
    Why is it very few are willing to post under the same name? It makes it much more pleasurable to communicate with a known person or persons. Is it because they are unable to recognize where a "Name" goes. I would imagine for the same reason for years I would have to point to the line and say, "Sign Here."
    "

    careful wrote on Feb 22, 2008 6:10 PM:

    " 911gal. awfully presumputious of you to say that someone has not been in your shoes just because they disagree with you.
    I know of the people on here who is talking about about the police is a former police officer (retired, honors not this department).
    "

    love my rights wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:56 PM:

    " I don't hate cops or anyone. I love the rights granted me by God and outlined in the Constitution and paid for with the blood of Americans.
    It may make cops jobs tougher but they knee the score when they signed up. It was not "surprise" here is the deal. If you don't like observing the law of the land quit. I hear the burger joint is hiring. "

    steve is right...kinda wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:49 PM:

    " Steve, you prove my point. SHUT UP. Do not speak to cops. You DO NOT TALK TO COPS, you are NEVER obligated to. The ONLY thing you say to ANY cop who speaks to you for ANY reason AT ANYTIME is I WANT A LAWYER then SHUT UP.
    As steve RIGHTLY said in a round about way. Talking to cops ONLY hurts you. "

    Steve wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:32 PM:

    " Prove It-Back to making assumptions again. Your Miranda Rights apply when; Your in Custody and not free to go, or In the interviewer's mind, he/she has sufficient information verbalized from the suspect to believe he/she may have committed a crime. They do not necessarily apply nor need to be provided when the officer observes the violation which in 90 percent of the local cases is the case and directly related to stupidity of the violator. In that case, most violators are better off exercising their Rights and keeping their big mouth shut. It saves the officer time in writing up the incident and keeps the idiot from digging a deeper hole. Common sence for nonsensical crowd.
    Hopefully this forum edition will run its timeout and the pundits of society policing the police will find another topic to demonstrate their inability to communicate. "

    JM wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:34 PM:

    " Easy solution..... Don't get yourself in a position to get tasered. If that's a problem for you then you deserve whatever force is used against you. There should never be a reason for a citizen to "stand up" to an officer. I watch you punks on T.V all the time, can't keep your mouth shut when you're confronted with a situation where police are called. Behave yourself, don't cause further problems for yourself by being an idiot. You pretty much explain what kind of person you are when all you can think of to say is "WACKED OUT". I'd love to catch a glimpse of your mugshot, guarantee you've got a few. Most of you "haters" have lost sight of the issue and just like to ramble on and on about how police are sooooo corrupt and abusive. It only leads me to believe that you had a bad experience (or maybe 10 of them) with the police when you got your DWI, illegal possesion, or even your domestic violence charge from beating up your girl. If this comment board filtered out all sex offenders, parole violators and just stupid criminals i'm affraid there would only be about 6 or 7 intelligent posts left. There would be no one to laugh at. Keep up the hating haters, you're makin your momma proud!!!! "

    prove it wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:26 PM:

    " 1035, please point to the law that says you are required to talk to officers? I know you would LIKE people to think they have to talk to police but they do not. Oh wait, how does the miranda rights go?
    I will shout it from the roof tops, You are NEVER required to talk to a cop. However it does show and incredible lack of professional training ON YOUR PART that you must.
    If a cop has the "goods" he does not need to ask you anything. If you TALK you could give him reason to look more, even if you are innocent. Pleanty of people who were on death row made the mistake of talking to cops only to be cleared AFTER THEY WERE DEAD. "

    1035 wrote on Feb 22, 2008 3:29 PM:

    " Oh Steve you can explaine the process till you are blue in the face and they don't see it that way. They truly believe if an officer makes contact with you all you have to do is provide id and walk away. They watch too much tv and have no clue of law enforcement policy/procedure. I do believe Havasu PD sgts take complaints on their officers that is the norm chain of command. "

    steveo is WRONGO wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:58 PM:

    " Nobody is required to speak to an officer. And you and I know that not speaking to an officer is no cause for probable cause. However, speaking to an officer can lead to reason for probable cause especially when an officer try's to confuse the facts as you did in your post.
    Speaking to an officer thinking you have nothing to hide is STUPID. "

    911gal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:49 PM:

    " To keeping it local:

    I have just as much right to post here as you. I own property in havasu and for your information I spend 3 days a week in havasu at my home that I own not that it's any of your business. and You have some nerve saying I'm unprofessional you have never delt with me while I'm on my job THAT MR. FOR YOUR INFORMATION IS WHERE I HAVE TO BE PROFESSIONAL! Utill you and YOUR cronnies can show me some proof that havasu pd officers are abusive and causing this town to fall apart you have no room to post. which by the way Mr. I'ts you and your postings chasing people away. "

    Steve is wrong wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:41 PM:

    " Steve. A citizen has NO AUTHORITY to harm an officer. The POWER real or percieved is the police. A citizen cannot tell his friends a cop wrongly filed false charges so let's give him a hard time. A cop you report can come after YOU.
    A department that has nothing to hide welcomes a civilian board to oversee it. "

    steve wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:03 PM:

    " Wrongo-right back at you-if a citizen has done nothing wrong, he or she has nothing to fear when stopped by the police. If the citizen feels convinced he or she was wronged during a police contact, they should report it to the Management of the Department, Lt.'s and above. If they are correct in their assessment of the stop or contact, they should have nothing to fear by reporting it. A Citizen Review Board does not change this process one bit.
    And, What You Are Required To Do, you are advocating disobedience because when the officers tell you "sign here", please don't so they can book your backside and you can tell the Judge "I got my Rights" and they will be provided to you-three squares and room and board. "

    To serve wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:01 PM:

    " I have notced that those on this board who portend to be in the public's employ seem to insult us when the public questions them or raise the suggestion that more public involvement would be a benefit to all. We, the public, have been characterized as trailer trash, criminals, or juvenile.
    I sense a real hatred for the public you serve. "

    keeping it local wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:52 PM:

    " 911gal, so you are here defending your friends. It is not even professional, it is your friends you are protecting. You do not live here so you do not know the facts, you just know your pals have messed up and causing the working men and women of this town to suffer for thier sins so you come here to defend them.
    How about you let us locals deal with our problems. You have trouble keeping your story right in any case and you have been right about as often as Lifegoeson.
    It is such a shame to see that someone who is the business of serving the public on here protecting the corruption in the city and you do not even live here. "

    911GAL wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:21 PM:

    " OOPS 911 GAS:
    Care to explaine the problem you have with the fact I live/work in flagstaff and happen to know several people that work for lhc pd for the past 15 yrs? What part of my story don't you seem to be able to keep track of? I stated many posts ago I have family in havasu just in case your lost and I need to put an amber alert on you. Grow up "

    sorry steve, WRONGO wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:22 AM:

    " Steve, who reviews a death in a hospital that is questionable? A Coronors inquest with a JURY OF REGULAR PEOPLE<

    If an HONEST police department has nothing to hide then it does not fear PUBLIC review of its action.


    And lets face it, there is a difference between telling if someone injected the wrong medication and if and officer beat the heck out of someone. "

    911GAL wrote on Feb 22, 2008 6:24 AM:

    " OH GOOD GRIEFF can't you people tell when someone makes a joke guess I have to put a ha ha behind mine. in ref to-911 gal wrong wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:55 PM:

    (" Wow, you cannot even keep your own statements straight. Yet you might be called to testify in court on items?

    911gal. tues 6:48 you said "hey better yet someone make a petition and get however many signatures are needed and just recall clyde. "

    you cannot "recall" an unelected person.)

    NO KIDDING YOU COULD OF FOOLED ME.
    And I hope it's your case I'm called into court to testify ha ha ha
    "

    2 to 1 wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:24 AM:

    " 911 gal the ratio of police deaths to firefighter deaths is nearly 2 to 1, with firefighters have FAR more deaths. "

    what your required to do wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:22 AM:

    " hey 1035, when asked questions by a cop what things are you required to do? Nothing. You have to identify yourself and that is all. That is the problem with cops, they dont understand the law THEMSELVES. Maybe that is why they are so often WRONG here and HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COMPLAINING!!

    You have RIGHTS secured through years of blood and sacrifice. This is not nazi germany where you must do as the gestapo says. "

    aim for my hat wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:39 PM:

    " The article states:
    "Critics, however, point out that a mentally disturbed man was stunned with a Taser in the genitals during an armed standoff with police this past Halloween. Officials have said officers were aiming for the gunman’s chest, claiming that the Taser’s prongs inadvertently struck the man’s genitals instead."

    I have a favor to ask. If you ever pull me over for driving while being californian. And I have the audacity to ask for the reason you pulled me over....Aim for my hat please. "

    opps 911gas wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:26 PM:

    " yet 911gal says she lives and works in Flagstaff. Forgetting the story gal? yet she knows locals for 15 years. A copgal backing cops who are her friends. No surprise there. "

    Steve wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:47 PM:

    " Riley, I don't want to sound sarcastic, but who reviews doctors actions on mal-practice or errors in the surgery room? *Board of Doctors*, Why, because they know more than anyone the procedures, risk and methodolgy involved in various surgical situations. They have the power also to remove the physician from further practice.
    In the case of a Review Board, their power is limited to "recommendations only". I'd have no problem with the Board if it were comprised of civilians with a background commensurate to what they are investigating. I do have a problem when individuals in the community seeking recognition, with an axe to grind against the police, seek a political position to posture their cause in an effort to tear down an agency over perceived allegations of abuse where none exist. If there were people willing to learn, discuss and analyze various approaches taken by police, why policies and procedures are necessary, that would be unique and acceptable. But those on this forum clamoring for a Review Board have entirely a different take on what it is in reality and what they perceive it should be. "

    911GAL wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:42 PM:

    " I never said I wouldn' welcome a citizens over view board. I think it's a great idea. Who is going to the next meeting of the city council to inquire that they get the ball rolling? I don't believe Havasu has the bad cops you see on tv beating people and flipping them out of wheelchairs I think some of you are a wee bit confused about that. As many officers that I have known in this town for last 15 years I've never heard of any being brought up on charges for any abuse like what we've seen from other departments on tv latley. Have any of you? "

    time for a civilian board wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:59 PM:

    " Steve, maybe if Havasu had a civilian board the people felt safe to complain about the cops in a small town with a small town department we would see more complaints and get better officers.

    I do not see a problem with a civilian board. I do not see why an honest department would not welcome it. "

    911 gal wrong wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:55 PM:

    " Wow, you cannot even keep your own statements straight. Yet you might be called to testify in court on items?

    911gal. tues 6:48 you said "hey better yet someone make a petition and get however many signatures are needed and just recall clyde. "

    you cannot "recall" an unelected person.
    "

    lifegoeson wrote on Feb 21, 2008 1:05 PM:

    " I understand there are cops that get carried away with the use of force. And I think any officer or detention officer who does get carried away should be delt with and no longer be in that line of employment. Does anyone have any real proof of any officer in Havasu PD useing that kind of force? And don't even mention the holiday video of the dork who threw her beer on the officer and was taken into custody. Any thing pending in a high court? "

    1035 wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:53 PM:

    " Where were all you cry babies when the dps officer was shot at the other day on a traffic stop? Answer me these questios.

    1. When pulled over by an officer and asked questions and instructed to so certain things what do you whiners call it when YOU get in the officers face an call him/her every name in the book or refuse to cooperate with the officers requests?
    I can't believe how many of you just don't understand that is DISORDERLY CONDUCT Almost every state in the United States has a disorderly conduct law that makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of obnoxious or unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but present no serious public danger. Disorderly conduct is typically classified as a misdemeanor.

    A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally:
    (1) engages in fighting or in tumultuous conduct;
    (2) makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop; or
    (3) disrupts a lawful assembly of persons;
    commits disorderly conduct. It covers a large variety of potential acts in its prohibition; "fighting" is perhaps the clearest act within the scope of its prohibition. What is "tumultuous conduct," what constitutes "unreasonable noise", or what "disrupts a lawful assembly" are matters that are far harder to decide, and as such disorderly conduct statutes give police officers and other authorities fairly broad discretion to arrest people whose activities they find undesirable for a wide variety of reasons. Potential punishments include a jail term, fine, probation, restraining orders, and community service.
    When someone acts out against the police they just gave that officer by law the right to use force to get the cituation under control to protect not only the officer but any innocient bystanders.
    If you don't like how your treated why you act like an idiot then DON'T ACT LIKE ONE. Seems to me officers should go back to video cameras in their cars and tape recorders in their uniforms and replay to the IDIOT in court in front of the judge and let the judge ask the idiot what he/she thinks they deserve.


    2. How would you whinners deal with people that act out as such? You tell us what do you want officers to do when people act like idiots? "

    911gal wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:27 PM:

    " Um I never said Clyde was elected. And since he has as you all say had his hand slapped for being rude to an attorney (boo hoo) like that persons feelings we're hurt, then why has the city council not removed him? And NO former chief opion does not count maybe only in your mind. "

    Riley wrote on Feb 21, 2008 11:47 AM:

    " I gotta tell you Steve that I don't see a problem allowing the people to have oversight of the police. It works great in Tucson and the never had the problems to the degree we do in Havasu with the police. "

    cal/hav wrote on Feb 21, 2008 11:44 AM:

    " This fireman is lucky he didn't get tasered. Did get arrested though. Judge there though ruled Against the Police and Cop got fined $18000

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/02/16/pkg.cop.arrests.firefighter.kmov "

    Steve wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:17 AM:

    " Beat Down, and wanted. NEWS ( Not even worth saying) Those who do not read the news are uninformed-Those who do are misinformed. Open any paper in the U.S. and maybe read about three lines of "good" behavior of any occupation. For your own edification, the reason you read and hear of "bad" deeds is "good" deeds are expected and bad goes against the norm of society. "

    notice a pattern wrote on Feb 20, 2008 10:58 PM:

    " I am totally amazed!! I can't imagine that Steve, who is a cop, is standing up for cops! Wow! I cannot believe it Steve. And Steve the cop does not want the people have a say in police department policy and disipline! How union of you. It's like teachers union saying teachers should not be judged on performance review.

    That make you (a cop) lifegoeson (911 operator) and 911gal (911 operator) and Irishman (a retired cop) defending the cops!

    I have noticed many more posts detailing the problem in Havasu with the cops "

    sorry charlie wrote on Feb 20, 2008 10:50 PM:

    " Tucson has a civilian board Steve, Check it out and you may want to rethink your position. "

    beat down wrote on Feb 20, 2008 3:27 PM:

    " where were the police when that women was beat down in shreveport LA? ohh that is right...it WAS the police who beat her down.
    Ever notice that somehow camera's only catch the bad cops? I am sure that we will see the police come here and lay down all kinds of excuses but as more and more cameras are installed more and more we see that bad cops are the norm not the exception. "

    wanted wrote on Feb 20, 2008 3:23 PM:

    " Wanted, a person who has been spotted using the color of authority to falsely charge tourist with crimes in order to increase the funds collected by the courts. Description. navy blue pants and shirt with silver badge, heavily armed, demeanor is described as pushy and bully. Drives a white sedan, AKA "officer"
    This was written for those who think that cops are doing a great job and only "criminals" are objecting and if you dont break the law you have nothing to fear. All are not true. "

    Steve wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:13 AM:

    " Dan,
    I have seen post on this site alleging all sorts of atrocities being committed by the Police and Courts. Yet checking County files, or with those in the know, nothing. The people clamoring for the Review Boards are doing so with the written belief they would have control over hiring or firing of Police due to public input. That is not the case nor how the Review Boards work. They provide "recommendations" only and feedback to the Council and City Heads. A laypersons view of a particular police procedure often times is 180 degrees out of what a Police Administration, City Manager or the individual officer know from experience what is necessary to protect the officer, citizen and community in the most acceptable manner. Arresting people is done 90+% of the time with voice commands. Physical force unfortunately is required in low percentage of the arrest. Legally, an officer is allow to exert force sufficient to overcome the amount of resistance. The officer is not out there to loose in a physical match nor can he/she step up the use of force to where it becomes excessive or abusive. If the force used goes too far, Dept. Policy, City Policy, County and State Laws come into play and prosecution takes place against the officer, department, and City both criminally and civilly. In addition, the involved officer is investigated for; Policy Violations, Civil Liability, Proper Police Procedure compliance, and Civil Rights Violations,Criminal Violations and all must be investigated in conformance to the Police Officer Bill of Rights.
    Now add to the investigative bodies a Citizen Review Committee that wants to have monies to pay for the investigation again to satisify them in order to make recommendations to the Chief or City Council and I personally see it as a waste of taxpayer monies. Name one area where John Q. Public has to go through the same process and legal challanges for using excessive force to control a violent subject? I do not work for the police department in Havasu, nor am I remotely related to them. I have observed the majority of officers are well trained proffessionals who take pride in the job they perform for the community. And those very few (as with every agency) are watched and when and if they near or cross the line, they are introduced to another line-unemployment without a Review Board. "

    911 gal, wrong again. wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:51 PM:

    " 911 gal. The current supreme court did voice an opinion about Clyde when thier committee for Judicial conduct reprimanded him.
    Secondly, Clyde is NOT ELECTED. He is contracted. All it takes to remove a Magistrate is a vote of the city council, and they can do so with cause if a Magistrate violated city code by recieving a reprimand.
    Lastly, the FORMER Chief Justice of the AZ Supreme Court retired with honors. His opinion does count. "

    life wrong again wrote on Feb 19, 2008 10:56 PM:

    " lifegoeson. Yes the firemen are lucky they can taser fires that do not do exactly as told within 3 seconds. "

    nothing to hide and nothing to fear wrote on Feb 19, 2008 4:09 PM:

    " Steve, you sound like you have something to worry about. If a police department has nothing to hide from the public then it welcomes real public input. We ask the public to be involved in almost every other part of city policy why not police policy. Especially when the department has such a horrible record.
    Cops often say that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.....back at you.

    Dan Taylor "

    so brave wrote on Feb 19, 2008 1:20 PM:

    " True Heroes, I love your post. I am sitting here watching Fox new show two incidents where brave officers throw one disabled man from his wheelchair, and another where a gang of officer gang up on a women who weighs a buck o five.
    "

    Jim wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:55 AM:

    " I agree with the the use of a taser. In a situation where your dealing with an combative or out of control person or even amed, it's the best thing for the officer and the suspect.No cop should allow himself to get beat or threatened. It's a lot better than getting beaten with a stick or shot, the next choice. Police don't want to use their gun. But I will say, the taser should not be used in the channel ever. The police are dealing with almost naked people,meaning no weapons in the trunks unless they happened to be born that way. My point is, then that becomes police brutality. I also need to say a taser should never be used on a women in the channel. In a domestic problem ,OK I could see it, for the cops own safty and the womans.Anyone that refuses arrest has it coming to them. I would rather be tased than wake up in the hospital from good a-- beating because I chose to act like an idiot and not respect the law. "

    cal/hav wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:20 AM:

    " By the way- Those were product liability lawsuits. If you read further on you will note that they have "settled" on injury because of the cost of litigation. Of course the article is posted by the manufacture with their stock price right next to it. no bias there. Duh

    http://www.charlydmiller.com/LIB08/2006MarchAmnestyInternational.pdf "

    Simple Man wrote on Feb 19, 2008 8:25 AM:

    " Come on Rodney Kings, if you obey the Officer commands, you will get handcuffed and arrested. No beating, no injuries, no Taser, no shooting, no drama. Stop resisting the Police! Stop whining and stop blaming someone else! If you commit a crime, do the time! "

    lifegoeson wrote on Feb 19, 2008 7:22 AM:

    " OH to true heros:
    I must not forget to address you and your comment how firemen are the true heros. HOW DARE you compare the two. My firemen lay their lives down on the line every call they go to just as my officers do. Firemen/ems responders can also be shot at even tho we stage them short to await for LAW ENFORCEMENT to secure the sceen not with water by the way. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying a firefighter can't be injuried or killed in a fire yes they can. There is danger in fighting fire with water or foam JUST as there is a danger for officers who deal with weapons hid in deep pockets and elseware. I spend many shifts hoping I can know my officers make it to the end of their shifts and get to go home to their family just as I do for my firemen. "

    the reason Y wrote on Feb 19, 2008 2:51 AM:

    " um, to those who think that because tasercorp has not been sued that shows that Police abuse does not occur I offer the following question.
    How many gun manufactures have been sued successfully in court for OFFICER RELATED SHOOTINGS? NONE, do you know why? The gun is not responsible the OFFICER WAS.
    Just like cases where people died when killed with Taser, the OFFICER is responsible NOT the taser.
    There are many cases of police departments being sued successfully for wrongful death using a taser. "

    steve's statement says it all wrote on Feb 19, 2008 12:25 AM:

    " Wow, steve that is one heck of an attitude for someone sworn to protect and SERVE. You and Lifegoeson should live together! You both expressed the same "everyone who suspects cops are trailer trash" mentality.
    IMHO you should be put on desk duty pending an investigation. Your statement is the only proof needed that a problem exists in the LHCPD. "

    vrab wrote on Feb 18, 2008 9:59 PM:

    " If you haters would do your research, you'd find out that the taser has NEVER been found responsible for anyones death. These people died due to other circumstances - not taser related.
    It takes seconds to find this. As of 11/28/07, Taser International won its 61st wrongful death lawsuit filed against them. You can find this at - http://www.primenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=132147
    Your turn haters....prove me wrong. WAAAAAA!
    I suggest buying stock in taser..... "

    true heros wrote on Feb 18, 2008 9:58 PM:

    " Funny how fireman still fight fire with water and pure courage an strength. Seems cops are afraid of everything now days. they shoot people for "thinking" they had a gun. Thank god there are still some true heros out there . maybe the cops should visit a firehouse and learn how strength and bravery work. "

    Steve wrote on Feb 18, 2008 5:50 PM:

    " No Police Review Board Fires Anyone. It is up to the City Manager and Police Chief. The boards are generally used by people in the community who seek name recognition and/or have an axe to grind. If you like to spend more tax monies on useless programs, have at it. Then again you probably don't have to pay any taxes. "

    Steve wrote on Feb 18, 2008 5:44 PM:

    " OK COMPLAINERS, Worked Out, The Easy Way, Now comes the beat down, Investigation Unlikely, Keep it in the Dark (talk of something to hide spineless), Don't Taz me Bro, and Death by Taser. Not One of you have shown or presented a VALID argument, nor shown any experience outside of complaining ability. Maybe the one writer was correct, Police should drop the tazer and OC Spray, and the Baton and just shoot your worthless rear ends and use your trailer for a fish habitat. It would put a stop to all your worthless baseless complaining and allow this site to be used for something more constructive. "

    Civilian Review Committee wrote on Feb 18, 2008 4:09 PM:

    " For information on current Civilian Review Boards please refer to the following link (pdf)http://www.cccjc.org/home/oversightagencies.pdf "

    dont taz me bro wrote on Feb 18, 2008 12:31 PM:

    " The UN has declared the Tazer a device of torture and its use torture as it has caused deaths. Also, studies have shown that the use of the taser has not lowered the number of police shootings.
    Another study has shown that police violate the rules of the taser use 40% of the time. "

    deaths by taser wrote on Feb 18, 2008 12:18 PM:

    " over 270 people have died when the police used a taser. Police are using this weapon as one of first choice instead of last resort or second to last resort.

    Few, very few of those deaths involved drugs.
    "

    where 911 is wrong wrote on Feb 18, 2008 12:00 PM:

    " 911gal, nobody begrudges the police the measured use of force. What is odd is that in a time when the police are refusing to do anything about the bad officers in the department and we see officers speak out against anything that would restore public confidence, and in a day when websites across the internet are talking about the injustices going on in Havasu in the police and Judicial areas; the police decide to highlight a device that has KILLED people and gets little scrutiny. "

    keep it in the dark wrote on Feb 18, 2008 10:57 AM:

    " Steve's answer for police brutality? Throw money at cops and the abuse goes away? Reward the bad cops by raising more money for them.

    I love how the cops (and thier lemming) who post here immediatly say no to civilian review board. Like having the "light of day" into police procedure and getting rid of bad cops would be a bad thing.

    Only those who have something to hide do not want thier behavior under scrutiny.

    There was not one item suggested that was a bad idea in a democratic society. "

    wondering wrote on Feb 18, 2008 10:29 AM:

    " Civilian review board, are there any active boards in AZ? If so, where are they located. "

    911gal wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:19 AM:

    " Just what do you people want the police to do when a druged out person on meth turns on the officer ya complain about the use of a night stick ya would pickit the police department if they shot someone with a gun. I know we'll just have the officers call you on the phone and you can come out and open a can of woop @## on the suspect.

    A few years ago one of my officers got into a physical fight from a dv call the husband attacked my officer who could not reach any of his weapons to get control of him. Thank goodness for neighbors calling 911 I was able to roll back up from 2 other officers. My officer was able to tase the subject just before back up arrived. But I suppose you cry babies think that was police abuse. Get off your stupid high horses and accept all police departments across the country use tasers and even some use stunguns. OR would you rather they just shoot to kill? "

    lifegoeson wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:01 AM:

    " To Riverpoor:
    Thank you for speaking your mind just prepare yourself to be WRONG in most eyes. I've been on the other end of the radio for 12 years and would much rather be working with an officer who tasered someone then shot them with his/her gun not only less paper work for the officer/sgt and less phone calls for us dispatchers but the idiot at least gets to live.
    Our officers here are dammed if they do or dammed if they don't. Trust me there is no making most of these people here happy no matter what LHPD does it's always wrong. I'm putting most of my money on the cry babies having a fbi/sid number. "

    Steve wrote on Feb 18, 2008 7:32 AM:

    " Civilian Review Board- Your considerable plagiarized information with excerpts of personal opinion is noted. The final straw is the Chief of Police and City Council make the final decision on any actions taken against an employee, determine and codify organizational policy, and hold the interest of the City, Community and Police Department in balance. Touters for Review Boards wrongly believe they can get back at the officers by filing complaints anonymously. Cities that use Review Boards have not shown a substantial increase in actions against the officers involved. The complaint process still retains the same requirement of identity of the complaining party and validity of the complaint. Filing of false complaints remain to be subject to legal ramifications as they should be. The process itself creates an additional burden of cost upon the city to satisfy the Boards wants or perceived personal or political needs. I personally believe the Chief is taking a Community Policing approach by creation of the Citizens Academy. This introduction of the public exposing the procedures and processes essential to the police conducting day to day activities is important to instil community confidence in their department. The dangers confronted officers on a daily basis can not be adequately protrayed via T.V. programs like CSI, Law, or numerous other Cop Programs. More good can be achieved by the creation of a local support group for the Police Department intent on providing fund raising events to secure training and tools essential to the creation of a highly trained professional organization. That creates a Win-Win situation for all. Complaining with perceived allegations of abuse, wrongly ticketed or severe judgements for minor violations erode confidence and go no where but down. If it is a valid complaint, file it, stand by it and it will be adjudicated properly. Your self manifested fear of reprisal is your only real enemy. "

    Mike wrote on Feb 18, 2008 7:08 AM:

    " I agree about mis using the taser.Eliminate now and go back to the billy club.Alot less problems and people complaining after 2 or 3 shots to the back of the head.Ah the good old days we do miss them. "

    wacked out wrote on Feb 18, 2008 1:11 AM:

    " This police force, the chief and even the council for this city are really wacked out. Who in that brainy bunch could possibly think that this will help the rightful image of the city being one with a corrupt police force? The Judge and the Chief need to go or we may as well save the money we would invest for advertising.
    Oh I was on my boating site today and the boycott for memorial day is listed. Lean times ahead my friends. "

    the easy way? wrote on Feb 17, 2008 8:28 PM:

    " "the hard way" as oppossed to just take your ticket, pay your fine, ignore the facts you did nothing wrong but visit Havasu.
    the police cannot run people off by threats and intimidating them on this board so they show off the taser as a way to let citizens who stand up to them what the police can get away with. "

    now comes the beat down wrote on Feb 17, 2008 8:20 PM:

    " This city is in real trouble when the police start getting front page articles how they are going to violate peoples rights. "

    vrab wrote on Feb 17, 2008 4:29 PM:

    " The police haters are right. I see plenty of abused citizens limping down our streets...broken bones, black eyes, taser wires hanging from their skin and bleeding wounds are a common site here in the Rodney King state of wild west Havasu.
    From the way the cops are talked about on here, you'd think they beat and taser everyone they come into contact with.
    Has a cop in this town ever done anything right? If so, did you(complainers) ever post anything good about him?...or call the p.d. and say anything nice?....or write a note to the paper, city manager, city counsel?...did you even take the time (like you take on here) to mention to a friend or family member that a cop did a good thing? I doubt it. Hating is so much fun and easier to do, right?
    Its obvious that there are only a few complainers on here and they rename themselves constantly to make it look like the city is full of angry people...your manner of writing is constistant and it gives you away.
    To the complainers - I guess the answer to your hate would be to do away with police all together right?? I mean they can never do anything right. You comment about every article in the paper that has anything to do with police in a negative manner.
    From your complaints, you make them look like they are brutal, brutal people that have horns coming out of their heads and just go around bullying everyone.
    Lets just get rid of all law enforcement in Havasu....just how long do you think you'd last before your trailer gets burglarized. Lawful citizens don't have to worry about negative contacts with police because they're being LAWFUL!!!
    Or maybe these complainers got a ticket that they felt wasn't deserved...WAAAAA!!! I'm sure there's plenty of times you should have been cited for something and you didn't get caught. Maybe you did have a legitimatly bad contact with a cop...is it fair to label all of them bad? Is it fair for someone to label your profession bad because one person where you work did something wrong?
    Get over it or leave...do the rest of us a favor...go live in a big city, where the police don't have time to respond to your minor complaints because they're too busy.
    Go find a better police dept. and live in their city and then let us know where it is. I'd like to know where to such an exceptional, flawless department.
    You whiners are so boring...why don't you find something else to do to occupy your time like donate your time to a charity...do something constructive for your community instead of complaining without offering solutions or backing your complaints with facts.
    We all know that the police aren't perfect and there are flaws in the dept...but it isn't that bad here. You comlainers probabaly have never lived anywhere else and don't have anything to compare these police to.
    Its alot better here than the city I came from.
    Show me any business, anywhere that is perfect. I want to know where I can find any organization or business that has perfect employees, 100% functional equipment and rules and regulations that are agreeable to everyone inside and outside of the business.
    I've had contacts here with the police several times and they weren't all negative. I got a ticket here once....guess what....I was speeding and I knew it....no hard feelings...it happens. I've found the cops to be normal, nice guys that have a difficult job. You haters should be thankful that there are guys out there willing to run to a problem that everyone else is running away from.
    Keep up the good work guys and don't let the 4 haters on here discourage you. There's lots of us that support you guys!!
    "

    investigation unlikely wrote on Feb 17, 2008 3:56 PM:

    " oh do the cops who investigate cops in havasu look onto each use of a taser the way the do when a cop uses a gun? They should. People with medical conditions die all the time from being tasered. A cop investigating a cop is the least trustworthy investigation. "

    Civilian review board wrote on Feb 17, 2008 1:03 PM:

    " WHY IS CIVILIAN REVIEW IMPORTANT?

    Civilian review establishes the principle of police accountability. Strong evidence exists to show that a complaint review system encourages citizens to act on their grievances. Even a weak civilian review process is far better than none at all.

    A civilian review agency can be an important source of information about police misconduct. A civilian agency is more likely to compile and publish data on patterns of misconduct, especially on officers with chronic problems, than is a police internal affairs agency.

    Civilian review can alert police administrators to the steps they must take to curb abuse in their departments. Many well-intentioned police officials have failed to act decisively against police brutality because internal investigations didn't provide them with the facts.

    The existence of a civilian review agency, a reform in itself, can help ensure that other needed reforms are implemented. A police department can formulate model policies aimed at deterring and punishing misconduct, but those policies will be meaningless unless a system is in place to guarantee that the policies are aggressively enforced.

    Civilian review works, if only because it's at least a vast improvement over the police policing themselves. Nearly all existing civilian review systems reduce public reluctance to file complaints; reduce procedural barriers to filing complaints; enhance the likelihood that statistical reporting on complaints will be more complete; enhance the likelihood of an independent review of abuse allegations; foster confidence in complainants that they will get their "day in court" through the hearing process; increase scrutiny of police policies that lead to citizen complaints, and increase opportunities for other reform efforts.

    Your community's campaign should seek the strongest possible civilian review system, one that is fully independent and designed for easy access. But if all you can get adopted is a weak system, take it with the understanding that once it's created you can press for changes to make it more independent and effective

    In this city, a civilian review board should also include the conduct of the local Magistrate until such a time that the city writes into city code the requirement that the Magistrate be a member of the AZ bar. Then the bar can oversee his conduct.

    TEN PRINCIPLES FOR AN EFFECTIVE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD

    1 Independence. The power to conduct hearings, subpoena witnesses and report findings and recommendations to the public.

    2 Investigatory Power. The authority to independently investigate incidents and issue findings on complaints.

    3 Mandatory Police Cooperation. Complete access to police witnesses and documents through legal mandate or subpoena power.

    4 Adequate Funding. Should not be a lower budget priority than police internal affairs systems.

    5 Hearings. Essential for solving credibility questions and enhancing public confidence in process.

    6 Reflect Community Diversity. Board and staff should be broadly representative of the community it serves.

    7 Policy Recommendations. Civilian oversight can spot problem policies and provide a forum for developing reforms.

    8 Statistical Analysis. Public statistical reports can detail trends in allegations, and early warning systems can identify officers who are subjects of unusually numerous complaints.

    9 Separate Offices. Should be housed away from police headquarters to maintain independence and credibility with public.

    10 Disciplinary Role. Board findings should be considered in determining appropriate disciplinary action.
    "

    got your back bro wrote on Feb 17, 2008 12:50 PM:

    " Riverpoor, another cop saying cops are good guys. Wow! That is surprising! The thin blue like shows like a bright neon light. "

    riverpoor wrote on Feb 17, 2008 12:08 PM:

    " I love this. I always look forward to a little comic relief in the reader comments. I've never seen a bigger bunch of whiners and cry babies in my life. To alleviate the speculation, yes I'm a senior citizen, from California, and a retired Law Enforcement Officer (33 yrs). I guess in most of your eyes that makes me a three striker. I taught use of force and defensive tactics in San Diego for several years at the academy. Is there abuse of force? Absolutly. Is it running rampant? No way. The Taser is a humane, less lethal tool to be used to overcome resistance. Law Enforcement has come a long way from "busting somebody in the head" with a steel flashlight or "Choking" somebody until they "went to sleep". The sleeper hold was effective and humane but was pretty much done away with because "it looked violent to the public". Do away with an officer's ability to subdue somebody with less lethal force and get ready for your Officer Involved Shootings to go up. I've worked task force cases with numerous agencies all over the Southwest. We have a good Police and Sheriff's Department here. Nobody wants any type of enforcement contact if they are the suspect and is quick to blame it on heavy handed, overly aggressive cops. Trust me, we have it pretty good here. You want them to keep you safe, you just don't want to hear how they do it. Sorry for rambling, just needed to speak my mind. To all the Law Enforcement Officers that work the area, keep up the good work, a lot of us appreciate what you do to make the lake a safer place. "

    look out, here we come spring breakers wrote on Feb 17, 2008 8:58 AM:

    " funny how law inforcement stories are plenty "

    hazzard county Havasu wrote on Feb 17, 2008 12:53 AM:

    " The article seems to suggest that some rumor is going around. It's NOT a rumor, I watched the darn VIDEO! This article also seemed ill advised. Promoting the one device the police use the threat of most to intimidate and is widely seen as an unregulated license to abuse is not the smartest idea but that would explain why our local finest came up with it. Way to go Roscoe. "

    public relations fiasco wrote on Feb 16, 2008 11:37 PM:

    " Interesting that the police are highlighting the Taser, the most common form of police abuse and most common abuse of civil rights. "

    Not a promising start. wrote on Feb 16, 2008 9:17 PM:

    " Tony Raap, great article and well written.
    This is the way the police public relations people chooses to show they are not abusive? By trying to build fear in community by showing how quickly they are willing to use a taser (a device many feel is unsafe) Remember the "dont taz me man" story on ORielly? How the police tasered a man for just talking back?
    Ya Chief, this is not a police state..... "

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