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Salaries not keeping up with homes

By David Bell
Today's News-Herald
Published Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:09 PM MST

A two-year-old wage study shows few workers in Lake Havasu City can afford to buy the average home.


The Lake Havasu City, AZ. Area Wage & Fringe Benefits Survey was compiled by the Pathfinders of Dallas, an economic development and corporate site-selection consultant firm, in September 2006, at the request of the Partnership for Economic Development.

“It’s about time to update it, about every two years,” said PED President and CEO Gary Kellogg. “And this time we need more participation.”

The survey shows 81 firms participated in the survey but many of the individual job sectors only had one firm participate — such as auto sales — which Kellogg said leads to results being less than accurate when it comes to the entire community.

Participating employers were asked to report low, average and high entry-level pay. That led to a determination of low average, high average, mean average and weighted average which balances employers of a number of people with those employing few in the same job classification.

Of the 103 job classifications listed in the report, 20 fell below a weighted average wage of $10 per hour, generally the jobs considered entry level. Such as janitor, childcare worker and bartender, bus and wait staff at restaurants and bars.

Another 20 job classifications were reported with a weighted average wage of $20 per hour or more. Including president/CEO/owners with the highest a weighted average wage of $64.83.

Using the May 2008 report by the Lake Havasu Association of REALTORS, of homes sold in Lake Havasu City, few of those earning in excess of $20 per hour can afford a mortgage for the average home in the city.

Using the Ginnie Mae (Government National Mortgage Association) loan calculator with the weighted average wage of $31.67 and zero debt, a Lake Havasu City teacher should look at a mortgage of no more than $212,756. That’s almost $30,000 less than the $232,217 average sales price of home in the city in May.

Lenders generally won’t lend when the housing costs (loan, insurance, taxes) exceed 28 percent of monthly income. And total debt shouldn’t exceed 36 percent.

Compounding the problem is that few workers in every field are without debt. And a quarterly study of the cost of living shows Lake Havasu City runs higher than the national average in a number of categories.

The Cost of Living Index compiled by the Council for Community and Economic Research measures the relative price levels for consumer goods and services in participating areas.

Those areas are averaged and the individual communities are compared to that baseline.

In six categories during the first quarter of 2008, the Lake Havasu City-Kingman Metropolitan Statistical Area exceeded the baseline in three — running 8.4 percent higher on grocery items, 39.7 percent higher on housing costs and 0.3 percent higher on transportation.

Utility costs in the Lake Havasu City run 7 percent below the national average, while health care is 5 percent cheaper, and miscellaneous goods and services are 0.1 percent below.

Lake Havasu City participates in the study each quarter through the PED.

Mohave County Supervisor Buster Johnson, R-Dist. 3, said there are two moves the county and city can make, one to offset the lower salaries now and the other to bolster salaries in the long term.

“We need to look at some community housing, available to our police, fire, teachers, those essential service people. I tried to bring some in six years ago but no one was interested and instead it went to Parker,” Johnson said. And we really have to push industrial economic development, like along the I-40 Industrial Corridor, to get better paying jobs. That will lift other salaries when they compete for employees.”

You may contact the reporter at dbell@havasunews.com.

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    mike wrote on Jul 7, 2008 3:49 PM:

    " People of this blog, I have just reread the whole thing from top to bottom and the only thing I am sorry for is calling Arizonian an elitist moron so early in the blog and in a fit of temper say I would not spend my money there. The rest I stand behind 100%. Be assured that the reason people come to Havasu is the Lake. Without the lake there would be no city at all. So lets not kid ourselves it's the lake that is the draw not you. You for the most part have been OK hosts but have had some serious flaws. Like it or not The police have been heavy handed. If you still don't believe it I would like to know why? It was all but admitted in that article. This was my hot point along with indiscriminate hatred toward Californians. You say I should have better manners yet it is OK to call me names as well as be threatened. This from Arizonian...
    "It's really good that we can post on here under an alias, or not having to give our full name. Because I believe the crime would go up, and the residents here WOULD be the guilty ones, if they knew who you were regarding your statement “without tourists the town is doomed to mediocrity”.
    I have been told the likes of me are not welcome yet I am a law abiding homeowner there. My only crime is to defend myself and the great state of California. Yes, believe it or not there are cities in California that are beautiful and are very desirable places to live. To generalize that all Californians are not desirable good people is factually wrong. And to single me out as not the type you want there just because I speak the truth and champion freedom without heavy handedness or harassment is childish. You accuse me of what I accuse you of doing. You want a good guest, which is what I am, but you don't want to be a gracious host. And by the way Arizonian Thanks for pointing out it was not a majority of Havasu residents that were arrested. I made an error of 2 people and remembered it backwards. I did however go back and review it and post it for all to see. Big deal it was about half was it not? I would hardly call this a gross exaggeration or a lie. You speak of good manners but the only good manners guests receive is from hotels motels and restaurants where they are spending money. You can barley get a smile at the launch ramp. The channel shore has so many rocks it almost looks like they have been put there purposely to discourage boats from parking there. And now these unfriendly rock cages? What is that all about? Some of these boats are a sizable investment and you would think the city would make it better for them not worse. And of course the police which looks like is changing. Ask yourself what kind of host you have been before you ask why your guest are disgruntled. I happen to be a homeowner there which gives me the right to say what I please. I am not a guest really. I am just not there enough to change where I vote but I am going to look into that. I have the same rights you have to criticize our town. There are however guests that come there that will stop and hurt the cities income. I suspect very few people will read this and maybe it's just as well but for the ones that are if you want a better guest than be a better host. "

    mike wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:42 AM:

    " Some of you people are complaining of my criticism of Lake Havasu. This statement below say's it all. Read it and I will continue please. It was written By DIANA PARKER/TODAY'S NEWS-HERALD
    Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:59 PM MST

    Doyle said some offenses — including indecent exposure, fighting and underage drinking — are still not tolerated. But he also acknowledged the department has adopted a different approach toward holiday crowds after criticism on its tactics had become too heavy handed.

    "We don't turn a blind eye to criminal behavior," Doyle said. "We have taken a policy of allowing officers to use their judgment on the channel, just like they do the rest of the year. It's not zero tolerance. It's use your judgment."
    Police made 121 arrests between midnight Friday and midnight Monday, compared to 360 in 2007 and 261 in 2006. Officers issued 168 citations compared with 760 last year.

    You people are so eager to defend your town that you are ignoring the truth and facts. The fact is "without turning a blind eye to criminal behavior" arrests and citations were way down Memorial weekend. Please explain this. For the whole article I included it on one of my posts on this blog. My hats off to the police for enforcing the law without prejudice and heavy handedness. I know it's a tough job. "

    Mike wrote on Jul 7, 2008 5:12 AM:

    " Arizonian, I am not ashamed of anything I have written. All I ask is for you to be honest enough to not take them out of context and to also show your writing it was responding to. In fact I am copying the whole forum and sending it to all the people I know that has anything to do with Lake Havasu and I am considering making it available at my place of business. "

    Arizonian wrote on Jul 6, 2008 4:25 PM:

    " The only picture you "get" is the one YOU want to see. Not anybody else's. And yours sure isn't fit to be on any postcards I know of.

    And be sure to pass on all YOUR postings too, (which I seriously doubt you will) so they can see you for what your are. "

    Bucket List wrote on Jul 6, 2008 2:35 PM:

    " Mike - you are only hurting your self getting an attitude like that. You were in no way bashed, like you what YOU wrote here. I see you are definitely one who can dish it out, but can't take it. I've read all your crazy posts. And your statement in the last one about the beautiful lake here is the first good thing you've said about Havasu. You must really be an unhappy person inside! Besides, through what I can gather from what you write, anyone would be an idiot to believe you to begin with! Your self pity will get you nowhere! I have a feeling you don't have too many friends to begin with anyway, thinking the way you do. Why would you expect anyone, anywhere not to defend their hometown after what you wrote! Is your brain getting enough oxygen? These people are not prejudiced! They are only defending your harsh and undue criticism! Don't fault them for coming down on someone who went as far as you did in your writings. And, here again, you are bringing up your money, stating you won't spend it here and all. Good. Pay and throw away your money to the inflated California prices. A few speak up here and give their opinions and look how you retaliate. You will only do Havasu harm in the long run. You seem to think your money should allow you to say whatever you want. I have to admit, I haven't seen to many tourists such as you though, and that's good. Read today's (Sunday) newspaper and see how many people here from California were happy. And that's just a drop in the bucket! "

    Sorry Arizona wrote on Jul 6, 2008 2:15 PM:

    " Hey man, I'm from California too. And that just isnt' right coming here and criticizing the people here. They go way out of their way for us. What makes you think you have the right to sit from your California desk there, and write to people in another state, bashing them and their state? Haven’t you got anything better to do? Man, you got some nerve! "

    Mike wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:25 AM:

    " Wow I get the picture. There is a large population in Lake Havasu that Hate Californians. All Californians period. I believe that is what this whole thing was about and now confirmed. I am a law abiding citizen and pay property taxes there so I will continue to come there and use the beautiful lake. I will however try to do all my shopping and will not spend any of my money there to support your precious city when I can. I will pass this on to as many Californians as possible for you. To all you residents there that do not subscribe to these elitist I am very sorry. It is up to you to deal with these prejudice people from within. "

    When in Rome wrote on Jul 5, 2008 11:14 PM:

    " To ALL OF YOU complaining on here about Lake Havasu; You need to channel these energies, this anger, resentment, and bitterness to try and better the community. If you don't like it here, no one is forcing you to stay. The road coming in from the North, goes on out South, pick a direction, and may the winds be with you! Otherwise, like the old saying goes "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". Instead of sitting there on your computers and finding fault with our citizens here, do something positive like getting out on Monday morning and cleaning up the trash left behind over this holiday weekend! Or are you going to say the trash is mostly from Havasu's residents too? "

    To the Village Idiots wrote on Jul 5, 2008 11:02 PM:

    " Don't you people watch the news or read the paper? Across the ENTIRE nation, in every town and city, there are A LOT of homes for sale right now. Not just Havasu!! And it's because of the amount of foreclosures happening due to interest rates, cost of living, etc.. Wait and see. When things get better in those areas, the For Sale signs will come down, and Havasu will continue to grow and do well. Havasu is still an immensely desirable place to live, and will continue to climb high on the list of best places to be. People in Hawaii are saying that too! So, go on and continue your fault finding you idiots, and see where it gets you! Every village has some idiots and you guys seem to have disclosed yourselves here! "

    Misguided misplaced and mislead wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:12 PM:

    " To all of you complaining about our beautiful town, you are sadly misguided, mislead, and definitely misplaced. Here are the titles of some of the stories that have appeared here in the paper in the last 14 months.

    Memorial Day visitors having positive experience in Havasu

    Locals make themselves scarce on holidays

    66 percent arrested during the weekend were Californians

    Businesses ready to welcome spring breakers


    What do the titles alone tell you? I agree with everything Arizonean said. You ones writing in these terrible bashings need to go hang your head in shame, back to where you came from, with your tail between your legs. This town does a lot for you. And this is the thanks we get back in return? "

    Arizonian wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:45 PM:

    " Thanks – “Why”!

    First of all, to “Another Havasu Resident” To tell someone to “Shut Up!” alone shows your complete and utter ignorance. But to tell someone that on a forum which people utilize to voice their opinions, shows that your postings are not worth the time to read. And, I wouldn’t be afraid to bet my life you are actually “Mike” under a different alias, trying to make it look like he’s being supported in his highly uneducated, ignorant and uncalled for postings.

    Second – To “Cal/Hav, you’re not worth my time responding to. I quit reading your posts a long time ago. I have no use for people like you. You think you are an authority an every subject that comes up. And, you write in on practically every newspaper article that comes up in the paper. Everyone that I know personally, (and even some I don’t,) that participates in the forums on this paper, say that when they come to a posting with “Cal/Hav”, they skip over it. Period. Oh, by the way, I hate to disappoint you, but I am a true, native Arizonian. Although, I grew up in Yuma, Havasu was always my second home. My father sold Mcculloch engines in his business.

    Now, to “Mike”, bud, you have some serious issues. You call yourself a grandfather and respected business owner?! If you remember, you were the first one to call anyone names, criticize someone’s home town, whine and complain how badly you’re treated here, etc.. Your statements, and I wanted to say this on my last posting, are like a fish flopping out of water.
    Here is word for word what you said in your posting on July 3rd, regarding the percentage of crime by residents here versus percentage of crime by tourists:

    “The last Holiday more Havasu residents were arrested than visitors.”

    And, also this statement of yours:

    “Look at the record from the last holiday compared to the numbers that were there and crime was very low especially if you take out the Havasu residents.”

    Then, in your posting today, you include an article from the newspaper - from Memorial Day Weekend that states:

    “The majority of those arrested over the weekend, 55, were California residents, according to the police report. Lake Havasu City residents account for 53.

    How does this support your earlier statement “The last Holiday more Havasu residents were arrested than visitors.” ??!!!!

    You say “my last post is stunning, hateful, and that I have a lot of nerve”??!!! You need to reread your what you wrote that DESERVED my last two postings. I can clearly see you are one of these people who can dish it out but can’t take back – what-so-ever!!!!!!!!!! You call my last post hateful, but it’s alright for you to say in your post before that you’re frustrated and sorry that you bought a home here, and all your other complaints, and the degrading of our town here.

    And, in my statement about saying thanks to our maker that you were even allowed to buy a home here, you even twisted that around to your insane way of thinking. I simply meant you should be thankful for what you have. Plain and simple. Many people are never afforded the luxury of having two homes in different states. Here you have two homes, in two states, and look at what all you’re complaining about. People like you - are never happy no matter what they have, where they’re at, or what has been given to them, by our maker.

    You accuse me of having a vigilante mentality when the entire jest of my first postings were completely about treating those of us who are permanent residents here with manners and consideration. But that was all too much for you to handle. It angered you to the point where you should have gone and had yourself checked out mentally than to continue writing. You picked out bits and pieces of my posts and twisted them all to your sick conclusions to support your rantings. You were the one who started whining, complaining and criticizing before I wrote my first post. Buddy! You need some serious help! I feel sorry for your children, grandchildren and employees. And, I feel sorry for you too. To be 60 years old, and write the things you are writing. I went back to your beginning posts, started counting your complaints, insults to our community here, bashes, and etc.. I got to 30 something, saw I wasn’t half way through, and said “this is crazy”. Your postings are of a mad man. And with that, I’m done. I’ve wasted way too much time with you, Cal/Hav, and the supposedly “Another Havasu Resident”. Yea, Right. I also never thought I would lower myself to Cal/Hav’s level either, in resorting to arguing with or even addressing people like you and him. But this all needed to be said.

    And I apologize to the good tourists and people who come here from elsewhere. As I stated in my first posting on all this, you have the good AND the bad. These guys on here are what gives tourists the bad rep.. But to those of you who have truly enriched our lives here, my apologies, as my comments here don’t include you. "

    Pathetic wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:33 PM:

    " I have just read all the articles here. Boy oh boy. Arizonian - you have a lot more patience with these pathetic jerks than I would have had. Mike's postings say one thing one minute, than different the next. If he is that unhappy, to where he's writing comments in at even 3:00 a.m., all hours of the day and night, he needs to come to his home here in Havasu and call 911 and have one of them nice firemen pay him a visit. I guarantee his whining and complaining will stop then! "

    Get Real wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:32 PM:

    " Where do you guys get off saying these things about LHC that you are saying! Arizonan is completely right and is expressing what the majority of us residents here think and feel. Go back to where you came from if you dont like it here. I have never once saw a tourist here treated bad, or disrespected and i have lived here a long time. Every one in this town bends over backwards for you tourists and poeple from other places. We do everything we can to accomodate you and try to make you feel welcome and then all you do is gripe and complain back in return. A lot of us are getting sick of being treated this way when we lay out the welcome mat and do everything we can for you. Lets get real here!! "

    WHY wrote on Jul 5, 2008 5:07 PM:

    " WHY do you keep coming to Havasu, if you don't like it here? WHY do you care what happens here? Sell out and go back to Ca.if you like it so good there. The 53 residents of LH that the paper states that were arressted over M/week-end, are probably from CA to begin with+the 55 CA residents that were arressted=103 CALS!! WHY do you always attack LH?? It is beautiful here! When we first started to come here, there were hardley any crimes. The more people that come here, the more crimes. Personnaly, I would prefer less residents and fewer crimes. how does that song go "got along without you before I met you, going to get along without you now" "

    priced out wrote on Jul 5, 2008 5:04 PM:

    " between the city property tax, sewer tax and salaries people can not afford to live here. have you noticed how many homes are for sale? "

    Mike wrote on Jul 5, 2008 1:01 PM:

    " To -Another Havasu Resident. Thank you of course you are right. My buttons were pushed and I went with it. "

    CalHav wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:54 AM:

    " Arizonian-Which I honestly dobt your a born and Raised Havasu resident, since most of them were from McCulloch and Trico Corps and Most Californians themselves. Mike is absolutely right on all accounts. It is unfortunate but many full time residents in Havasu move there to Retire cause it was cheaper and warmer than god foresaken Wyoming or The Dakotas in Winter. Now your miserable cause you have this illusion that Havasu can survive without tourism. That about the same as Disneyland surviving without it. Problem is some many of you are stuck in Fantasyland with the belief that Havasu is from the Frontierland you came from. Malls, Airports, Crime and congestion are all part of tomarowland.
    From the sounds of it though, it seems like you want Californians to go away, Which tells me your Park of choice is Knotts, and you'll enjoy life in the Ghost Town "

    Another Havasu Resident wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:13 AM:

    " To Arizonian, Shut up! To Mike and others, this person (arizonian) does not represent the population here in their opinion. Just another whiner with too much time on their hands. Blah Blah Blah. I have heard your broken record too many times. The problems we face here together can be seen across the nation right now. Let's not start picking fights with each other over it.

    Why don't we just work together to make positive changes? Get involved, pick up some trash, volunteer, go to council meetings. Support community leaders don't tear them down every chance you get. It's like you have nothing better to do than sit and wait for someone to try something to better the community so you can judge and shred them and their ideas. C.A.V.E. Men. Citizens Against Virtually Everything. No wonder there is no progress here. Make a positive impact on Havasu or get out of the way so someone else can, but zip your lips. "

    Mike wrote on Jul 5, 2008 3:17 AM:

    " Arizonian-Here is the article from the news paper showing The majority of those arrested over Memorial weekend 2008. 55, were California residents,and according to the police report. Lake Havasu City residents account for 53. So much for the outright “lies” and exaggerations you claim I made. Don't ever trust who you or me?

    Arrests down for Memorial Weekend


    By DIANA PARKER/TODAY'S NEWS-HERALD
    Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:59 PM MST


    Memorial Day Weekend arrest statistics released Wednesday by the Lake Havasu City Police Department showed police activity was down significantly over the previous two years.

    Police made 121 arrests between midnight Friday and midnight Monday, compared to 360 in 2007 and 261 in 2006. Officers issued 168 citations compared with 760 last year.

    Police Capt. Joe Fiumara said the decrease was probably due to a "combination of factors," including the down economy and less than ideal holiday weather. He also speculated that Lake Havasu City's behavior ordinance may also have had an effect. Police Chief Dan Doyle agreed.

    "The behavior down there (at the channel) was much better than in the past, so maybe that message is getting through," Doyle said.

    Doyle said some offenses — including indecent exposure, fighting and underage drinking — are still not tolerated. But he also acknowledged the department has adopted a different approach toward holiday crowds after criticism on its tactics had become too heavy handed.

    "We don't turn a blind eye to criminal behavior," Doyle said. "We have taken a policy of allowing officers to use their judgment on the channel, just like they do the rest of the year. It's not zero tolerance. It's use your judgment."

    Though officers didn't notice a decrease in the overall number of visitors over the weekend, the number of police calls was down, Fiumara said. Police responded to 988 calls compared to 1,479 in 2007 and 1,354 in 2006.

    The majority of those arrested over the weekend, 55, were California residents, according to the police report. Lake Havasu City residents account for 53.

    The highest number of arrests were from underage drinking at 29. That compared to 154 arrests in 2007 and 127 in 2006.

    The second most common offense was disorderly conduct. Twenty-one people, including 14 from California, were arrested for disruptive behavior that usually involved fighting, Fiumara said.

    You may contact the reporter at dparker@havasunews.com. "

    mike wrote on Jul 5, 2008 2:16 AM:

    " Arizonian-your last post is stunning. I do not vote in Arizona because my residence is in California. My plates and Insurances are also in California except for my boat that never leaves Lake Havasu. I think you have it backwards about the bashing. It is all Californians including the likes of me that are not treated like guests and are not wanted there as evidenced by your hateful post. I told you I am not one of the party people that bother you so much yet my opinion about harassment and freedoms qualifies me to be told the likes of me are not welcome. I have my own home and pay taxes there just like you and the Lake belongs to all US citizens. Who do you think you are? I don't have to ask permission or meet your personal standards to go there and live in my home or use the lake. I think your pretty arrogant for thinking so. I have not seen this party heat program but I wonder how it's ratings would be if it was boring. But I will assume that it shows laws are being broken. If they are arrested I said I have no problem with it. If you could stop assuming for a minute and get the stats for the last holiday, arrests were about 100. Half were residents of Havasu. How many thousands of people were from out of town? This is no exaggeration or lie I read it in this paper and I challenge you to prove it wrong. I did my homework I suggest you do the same before you challenge someone. You come right out and say "So maybe your so called “harassment” by our public servants on their “search missions”, just may be the reason our crime isn't going way up". Your condoning it in one sentence and in the next your saying it does not happen. I am convinced now I am dealing with a fool, a moron, and has a vigilante mentality. You say I should say some thanks to our maker, that I was even allowed to buy a home there. You my friend are scary. "

    Arizonian wrote on Jul 4, 2008 7:23 PM:

    " Back to ya Mike – It can be argued all day what is “factual” and what isn’t. But on here, we are posting our “OPINIONS”, and things as we see it . I could say your opinions aren’t factual also, but what does that accomplish? Thank you for the “eloquence” compliment though.

    Ok. So, you live in California, and own a home in Arizona. Where do you vote? Where do you get your car insurance and plates from? (Whichever state is cheaper?). You may “have a stake here” in some way since you own a “nice” home here, but not in the way that allows you to come here and bash the people here. If you are not an Arizona RESIDENT, it is ignorant and ill mannered to come here and criticize the good people of Lake Havasu who ARE residents, and who so kindly put up with your B.S.!

    Either you need new and improved eyewear or we are not talking about the same lake. AND it doesn’t look like you’ve ever seen the show “Party Heat”. It is a show about what goes on here on the lake. It will astound even the likes of you. But, I don’t need to watch the show. EVERY time I go out on the lake, I see laws being broken. And rarely do I see these offenders getting caught, compared to the actual arrests. And you say “you’ve rarely seen laws being broken, or aggressiveness?!!! I hear all the time from our younger generations here about the things going on out on the lake, a lot worse that what I have witnessed myself.

    And I don’t know where you are getting your “factual” info from, but I think you may be on “Planet Havasu” instead of here in LAKE Havasu. Almost every arrest on the show “Party Heat” is a visitor or tourist. And Honey, I read the paper daily, and most arrests are also out of towners, namely California. You need to do your homework better before you start posting your outright “lies” and exaggerations on here.

    You were right on ONE thing, though, crime WAS lower, but that was due to the fine work of our police, sheriff’s depts., and Coast Guard. So maybe your so called “harassment” by our public servants on their “search missions”, just may be the reason our crime isn’t going way up by the “shear numbers”(as you put it and spelled it), as it does in your Temecula CA, when there is any kind of event there. We have increases on major holidays, but whenever you have the amount of tourism that we do on those major holidays, EVERYTHING is going to go up.

    And “I’m misinformed” when I say people are moving here from California”?!!! Probably 8 out of 10 new people I meet, which are many – and on a daily basis in what I do, and happen to be mostly young people, are from CALIFORNIA!! WHERE ARE YOU AT!!!!!!!!

    It’s really good that we can post on here under an alias, or not having to give our full name. Because I believe the crime would go up, and the residents here WOULD be the guilty ones, if they knew who you were regarding your statement “without tourists the town is doomed to mediocrity”. Mediocrity means “ the state of being inferior in quality”. And for you to believe that Lake Havasu would be less, or inferior in quality, without your presence here, shows your immense narrow-mindedness and ignorance. So typical…………

    In all your “frustration and feeling sorry for yourself” that you bought a home here in this beautiful community, you might just say some thanks to our maker, that you were even allowed to do so. Please do everyone a huge favor here by not gracing us with your presence anymore. Go back to your beloved “Temecula California and whine about the crime, high prices, gang wars, and lack of police presence there! We will never need the likes of you here! "

    bravo Mike wrote on Jul 4, 2008 10:06 AM:

    " Well said Mike. The only thing missing is the local limited jurisdiction court for the city is incapable of ruling within the confines of the law. "

    Mike wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:05 PM:

    " To Arizonian, Your answer is very eloquent but not wholly factual. To begin with I do live in California but I own a nice home there in Lake Havasu. I believe this gives me some right to comment on what happens there. I too have a stake in the quality and future of that city. I am not one of the party people that is irritating the residents of Lake Havasu. I am 60 years old married with 5 children and 4 grandchildren and a respected business owner in California. I see what goes on there at the Lake and while it is not my cup of tea I rarely see any laws being broke or aggressiveness towards others. I am a champion of law and order and if someone is braking the law I have no problem with giving the maximum penalties. People must respect the law but it goes both ways. I have personally seen people questioned and inspected for no reason. Some not all of the police are unnecessarily arrogant and harsh and are intimidating. Some evidence of what I am talking about can be seen by the shear numbers of police to visitor, and the numbers of arrests, and who is being arrested. The last Holiday more Havasu residents were arrested than visitors. To answer other statements you made, I have never seen anyone walking around doing whatever they want as though they own the town. I believe this is grossly exaggerated. It is interesting a visitor should not criticize public servants but a visitor is open game. Yes I do expect to do whatever I want if it is not against the law. Not because of how much I spend but because of freedom. You say" But that does not give you the right to not abide by that state's laws, be disrespectful to the natives who live and work there, and not mind your manners". Anyone present can see no one gets away with anything. The Havasu police are on a search mission. If laws are broken they enforce the law to the fullest. And I am ok with that. Look at the record from the last holiday compared to the numbers that were there and crime was very low especially if you take out the Havasu residents. If anyone is whining It's the residents. I live in Temecula California and every year there are several big events that fill the town and just by shear numbers the crime does go up. Car shows, balloon and wine festivals, motorcycle clubs etc. The police here are friendly and are not seen in gross number unless they are needed( key word needed) then they are very efficient in what they do. I mean no disrespect but the truth is Lake Havasu should be so lucky to be a town like Temecula. Sorry for the elitist moron comment but it is just as frustrating when people judge others by there moral standards instead of the law. I think you are misinformed about people moving there. There are no jobs to lure them there. The only people moving there are retired older people from colder climates. I see lots of homes for sale for a long time. I'll bet the population is stagnant and a town that is not growing is dyeing. I am very frustrated and sorry I bought a home there. I believe without tourist the town is doomed to mediocrity. "

    Been here forever wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:22 PM:

    " I think a lot of people here missed the part where Buster said the "I-40 Industrial Corridor" - which is the land between the Havasu turn-off and Kingman. He wasn't talking about more factories in Havasu itself.

    As far as the tourists go, has anyone watched the series on TrueTV - formerly Court TV - called Party Heat Havasu? If you haven't, please do. These are the people we could really do without. We have plenty of other law-abiding tourists who come here to enjoy our town and lake without making spectacles of themselves or risking other's lives. The saying goes, a few bad apples....

    On the "salaries" - I'd rather see a survey taken by employees working in this town to get a realistic idea of what people have to live on here.

    And on the price of housing... I don't think Havasu has come down yet since the bubble when property pricing went through the roof and suddenly every home cost what it USED to cost to live on the golf course. And that includes mobile homes. We were all shaking our heads out in Crystal Beach at the beginning of this bubble when an acre of sand (average land price: $24,000) with an older single-wide mobile home on it, sold for $110,000. Over the following months it escalated from there to where an acre of blow sand with nothing on it, no well, septic or anything, were being listed for $168,500. I believe there's still a place out here, a mobile home with a warehouse type metal building behind it, is listed for around $349,000. Nothing is selling, prices really haven't come back down to earth yet here. Is Havasu just fighting the fact that the housing bubble has burst?

    When I moved to Havasu in the early 70's builders advertised new 3 bdrm 2 bath homes built on your level lot for $17,000. Lots were going for around $5000. Tell me, how much more does wood, styrofoam, and stucco cost these days?

    And considering we supposedly have lower utility 'charges' in Havasu than the national average, we certainly must have some of the highest electric bills in the nation during the months of May through the end of October. "

    ferndog wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:25 PM:

    " LHC is a great place to live.Why you might ask? Because the LHC has a lot of potential that still has to offer.But;to unlock its potential the city must work hard and take advantage of the oportunities that my arise. "

    Arizonian wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:24 PM:

    " To Mike and Hmmmm: Boy, did I hit a sore spot? I was in no way complaining about tourism. It's one thing to come here, visit, vacation, and be a TOURIST. Welcome! But so many of you come here and because as a city, we all profit from your visits here, you seem to think you own the town, can do as you want, and that you should be able to criticize our public servants here when things don't go your way. I have been a visitor and tourist of California, and many other states for that matter, many times. BUT I have NEVER gone there absent of the respect for the laws there, and absent of the respect for the natives and the people who reside there, and their feelings. Simply on the pretext that because I spend money there, I can do what ever I want. When things don't go your Californian way here, you complain and want us to be mindful of how much you spend here. I daresay you would go to another country such as Mexico and do that! You are right though, in saying this is the US and anyone can live anywhere they want. Every state has it's good and it's bad. But that does not give you the right to not abide by that state's laws, be disrespectful to the natives who live and work there, and not mind your manners. You come here in all your arrogance and expect everyone to put up with you, silently. Would YOU put up with people from another state, coming in, taking over your town, disrespecting your state’s laws, whining and complaining when you don’t feel things are going exactly how you want them too, etc., etc., etc., etc.,? I hardly think so. I'm so utterly sick of hearing about the so called harassment on the lake and channel. I've never had a problem, because I abide by and respect our laws here. The ones complaining are the ones getting in trouble because of their lack of respect for our laws here. And, don’t get me wrong, by putting words in my mouth that haven't even entered my head. We have a lot of good people coming here from elsewhere. They are the ones who make up for the bad. Same as residents here. You have both good AND bad. But don’t criticize me when I stick up for my home. And don’t criticize me when I speak up and out. And don’t expect for nothing to be said back to you when you so arrogantly call me an “elitist moron”. I have better manners and consideration than to go to another state and call the residents there names, simply because I don’t agree with them. Mike – I agree with you on the resorts versus factories issues, but you are being the “elitist moron” because I am simply defending my home, and there are those of us here who don’t want Arizona to become like California. After all, isn’t that why so many are moving here from there??!! If tourists are not feeling welcome here, it is only because they aren’t getting things their way, and what they are accustomed to where they live. Every state has it’s laws. And some states are more liberal that others. I’m not saying one is right, and one is wrong. But it’s usually what the majority of that state has voted for. Do you go to someone else’s house and try to tell them the way you think they should live and act?

    And, by the way - Roco , You’re welcome. My thanks back to you. "

    Hmmmm wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:52 AM:

    " to Mike...you got it right, as usual the morons cannot see the clear picture.

    They can only be critical, because their aware of the truth and cannot face the facts, plain and simple.

    In case people aren't aware, this is the U.S. and anyone from any state is allowed to live here, in arizona, in california or elsewhere. I served my country to protect this choice and I'm proud of it.

    Unless you plan on putting guard gates at the end of town to keep the Califorians out....ha! ha! "

    Roco wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:53 AM:

    " To Arizonian: THANK YOU!!!!! I am so tired of reading about people comparing LHC to the "always been overinflated" California. "

    Mike wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:56 AM:

    " misplaced Californians? For your information Arizonian, A californian made Havasu City and he wanted tourist from California. If it were not for a Californian you would be living someware else. It's elitist morons like you that are keeping Havasu from becoming the great city that it was intended to be and could be. "

    Mike wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:00 AM:

    " This is a tourist town in summer months and tourist are not felt welcome and are being chased away. Because of the 3 holidays that are a bit wild we are chasing away any of them to return. During most week days and most weekends the town is void of it's potential visitors. What is also needed is for tourist to have a reason to come in the winter months. Palm springs does it with resorts with golf courses, restaurants and class. All Havasu has in the winter is older people moving in for the weather and are not spending money. Industry is not going to come to Havasu for many reasons. The heat, low workforce and location are a few reasons. The Island should have been set aside for a 27 hole golf course surrounded by resorts on the water. Instead there are homes and storage units being built. This city needs a good flush of it's leaders and be replaced with some people with a vision. "

    Arizonian wrote on Jul 2, 2008 9:04 PM:

    " To Hmmm; This is not California, and we weren't discussing lifestyles in California, and if you want to talk "California" go THERE and do it! Just because we are not as high priced as California, doesn't mean we should ignore what is going on here that might make us eventually become like California. Gee, I wonder where all you misplaced Californians will move to then? "

    Hmmm wrote on Jul 2, 2008 3:24 PM:

    " Take a trip into California, and look at what it will cost you for gas, housing, etc.
    Although this is not the cheapest place to live, most of us cannot afford the Calif.
    lifestyle. Which you better make $80,000.00/yr to survive there.

    Until things change here politically, we will all be in a jam financially.

    Whoever said this isn't a tourist town is out of their minds. "

    Havasuian wrote on Jul 2, 2008 2:53 PM:

    " I live in a mud hut down by the river. No electric bill, no phone bill, except cellphone, no water bill. And I get most of my protein from fish I catch in the river. Don't be dismayed; most of you will be joining me down here within the next 5 years. I figure the U.S. is exporting it's standard of living to China and vise versa. "

    Laura H wrote on Jul 2, 2008 9:26 AM:

    " LHC has a horrible reputation for low paying jobs, we treat our visitor's like intruders, the ones who bring in the most revenue to our town. Many locals have more than one job to make ends meet. The answers are right in front of us but no one seems to care. "

    Roco wrote on Jul 2, 2008 7:17 AM:

    " I moved to LHC in 2002 and was told that salaries were low because this is a tourist town. At first, I believed it. But, I thought about other tourist towns I lived in and that was not true of those towns. I feel the problem is that the businesses think that people are isolated here and have no other place to shop, service for homes, autos, etc. To keep businesses' high profits up, they keep salaries low with low benefits or no benefits. Add on the over-inflated real estate and you have a bad living situation. This town's good-old-boy attitude only make the situation worst. To keep the resort type atmosphere, this town needs more light industry that does not have to be in the "lake viewing" area. But, that probably will not happen because of how the city does business. If a plan to revitalized the salary situation in LHC is not put in place soon, LHC will just be another Parker: alive (barely) during tourist season and dead the rest of the year. Just another question, why do city officials get hired after retiring or quitting from another city? Retiring from LHC and working in Bullhead City and vis-a-versa? "

    trying wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:28 PM:

    " All I have to say is I can't make it here on what the different companies are willing to pay. I have to travel just to make ends meet as I was appalled to find the most I could make for my experience (college degree) was $7 an hour. I can't live on that nor do I believe anyone else can! It's a shame that Havasu can't be like other places. And please don't tell me I must be new. No I have been here for 15 years. Too much govt. involvement with everything now! Quit raising our utility prices. I can keep going but what is the use, no one listens anyway! "

    educate yourself first wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:23 PM:

    " Ok, where exactly are you getting your figures regarding government salaries adn" all city workers have above average salary + benefits + pensions + overtime + use of the city vehicle + illegal benefits can afford the biggest homes... "
    Do you know which positions pay the most, and what the qualifications are for those jobs. Maybe you should get an education, then apply for a city job and see just how great the salary is! "

    MORE INDUSTRYYUK wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:27 PM:

    " Buster Johnson...I can't believe you think industry is what a beautiful resort town needs. This town needs to push tourism and luxury. Try fixing the nasty English Village, instead of building new factories. The city planners, first off, were idiots for making the prime lake front property industrial. Do add to it by bringing in industry. We don't want to be a nasty big city, we want to be a lucious resort town. We need to act like it. "

    champagne beer wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:44 AM:

    " We are paying champagne salaries for Beer quality people. A Judge with no law degree, a city attorney who name is well know to bar suspension board, and police who would not even be allowed to apply in other towns. "

    Not fair wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:25 AM:

    " The city employees are getting richer, the taxpayers poorer. Who cares? 90% of the local jobs pay less than the city jobs and a regular local guy has 0 chanche to get a city job, those are for californians who are willing to move here for 'less' money. It is a shame! "

    yeap wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:15 PM:

    " yeap, we already have more city and goverment workers and politicians than taxpayers. We are over regulated, to many chiefs (and firefighters) and no indians. "

    all city workers wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:12 PM:

    " all city workers have above average salary + benefits + pensions + overtime + use of the city vehicle + illegal benefits can afford the biggest homes... "

    reportingnatzi wrote on Jun 30, 2008 3:58 PM:

    " 75 soilders in Irag were asked who they would vote for in the Pres. election. 4 said Obama, 1 said Clinton, the remainder said McCain. ONLY the 4 who raised their hand for Obama were shown on the news. go figure! "

    Dubldaz wrote on Jun 30, 2008 3:57 PM:

    " This article is out of touch with this area...much like housing costs. I'd say the average wage for the average worker around here is more like 15-25 an hour(8 bottom, 32 top). Better paying jobs are needed here, but that takes development(smart development). A shopping mall ain't gonna do it. It's a good thing & will get some by, but in no way will it(retail, tourism, etc...) empower someone to buy a house. My wife & I are lucky to own one worth 140,000 while making 70,000 a year. I'd say life here is just tough because of the lack of choices one has. Lastly, I would like to know where in Parker that community housing went that Johnson was talking about(the 4-6 duplexes behind MC'D's?) & since it was 6 years ago...does that make it unatainable to try for it now? "

    obama rolls wrote on Jun 30, 2008 9:15 AM:

    " Daves Not Here, and mccain doesn't say what will get him elected? He is flip flopping like a fish out of water. Too bad you can't handle the complete incompetance your party has displayed over the past eight years. Soon you will not have to worry because we will clean up your mess. "

    double whammy wrote on Jun 30, 2008 8:53 AM:

    " So really the group that is most likely to afford to live here are the poor city workers who complain they do not get paid enough like cops and firefighters. Not only are the cops one of the lucky ones who can afford to live here but they are running out the tourists for those of us regular slobs who depend on them to make a living. "

    Well Duh wrote on Jun 30, 2008 8:43 AM:

    " To Surprised...what, have you been hiding or just on working in this town. Wages are for s*** in this town. I want to know what businesses here in town pay over $20 to employees, besides maybe the hospital. Anyways, my husbands company had a NET income of almost 5 million and guess what...my husband got a PAYCUT! The more the big wigs (general managers) can make for a company on the average joes back the better it is for their pockets. Sad to say, but most employers in this town care about one thing and one thing only...themselves. "

    Daves Not Here wrote on Jun 29, 2008 10:05 PM:

    " I agreed with SOME of what Dave said, BUT come on now Dave, did you have to bash the Republicans? Both parties accuse the other of anything they think might hit home with the majority of voters. ESPECIALLY the Democrats. I've heard Obama do nothing but criticize McCain, but have hardly heard McCain do ANY bashing. Obama will say anything to appease voters. And just like you, so many are sucking it up. And here you are, wanting our weapons taken away too, so we can't defend ourselves. This way, only terrorists will have the means to kill. Sounds familiar to me. Not very original Dave. By the way, I know metal rhymes with "ketal" but it's "kettle”, Dave, "kettle". Has anybody heard when the market is going to go back up? "

    Sherlock wrote on Jun 29, 2008 9:46 PM:

    " To "excanuck"

    Huh ??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Like, Wowwwwww man. "

    Amazed wrote on Jun 29, 2008 8:27 PM:

    " If we needed an example of why the JTED district needs to be approved, the comments on this blog are it. We obviously need better job training because it looks like very few paid attention in English class. "

    wages for city workers wrote on Jun 29, 2008 6:05 PM:

    " I bet the retired ex cop Judge can afford a house. "

    bert wrote on Jun 29, 2008 10:49 AM:

    " I wonder how much this study cost. I think most of the workers in LHC would have been happy to tell them this and would have done it for free. "

    what planet are you from wrote on Jun 29, 2008 10:28 AM:

    " industrial economic development for jobs paying $20+/hr....And you're creating lhc vision? Smart jobs pay $20+/hr not distribution centers. No wonder this city is a cluster#?&% "

    does govt work smart wrote on Jun 29, 2008 10:24 AM:

    " Gary, you need a consultant to tell you this. Can you do math? I can, you probably spent $30k for a worthless piece of information.

    Does anyone here do their own homework? Granted, its easier to let someone else do it. "

    NO FACTORIES HERE wrote on Jun 29, 2008 10:13 AM:

    " Industrial Economic Development?!! Oh, so we can fall even more below the national levels? Lake Havasu is not and should not EVER become a factory town!!! This is a lake town. We don't want that cloud of factory smoke hanging over our town. Look what happened to Phoenix once the factories started coming in there. Phoenix is a good example of how industrial development can pollute the area. Oh boy. Here come the factories. Why not put them close to the beautiful Colorado River so they can dump their waste in it. AND, we have some of the cleanest air in the nation. Let’s keep it that way! SAY “NO” TO INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT”!!!!
    If there were more affordable housing, and better wages here, we wouldn't be even be talking of "Industrial Development". But our job rates here are among the lowest in the state. The main types of employment here are the service industry and new home construction. So many business owners want to get rich over night on cheap labor and retire by the age of 30. And the people investing in real estate, then charging sky high rent, is unreal! Many, many of those investors don't even reside in this beautiful state where it costs so much to live. Does that tell you anything? Who are the ones being taken advantage of here? But then the city, county and state would get less in taxes if real estate prices went down, wouldn’t they! Bring in federal programs making it possible for people who live AND work here to purchase homes. Bringing in factories is only going to make the rich man richer and the poor man, poorer. I’ve lived in and seen what your so called “Industrial Economic (what a joke!) Development” can do to a community. This is not Detroit or Cleveland! This is Lake Havasu City ARIZONA, where the factory workers from other areas go to on their hard earned and much deserved - vacations.
    And the last thing we need here is a report stating the utility costs are 7 percent lower than the national average, so now the utility companies can take advantage even more, of the working man, and thus raise their rates again. No one will stop to think that utility costs are less because of the climate here in the winter. I remember when Reagan put ceilings on grocery store prices and other things needed to exist. Why can’t that be done again? "

    horst wrote on Jun 29, 2008 9:05 AM:

    " the study in todays section of economics lake havasu is 39.0 % higher on housing and 8 % on grocerys so how do you sell this overpriced homes in good consion "

    Surprised wrote on Jun 29, 2008 6:45 AM:

    " I am so shocked by this story! I thought wages where high in this town. "

    excanuck wrote on Jun 29, 2008 5:45 AM:

    " Like no one saw this coming? The same way as no one has seen the devestation of the good paying job market because of all the jobs that have gone offshore. Now you want government to pay for subsidized housing. Well guess what folks. Government income comes from taxes that those people in the private sector pay. The taxes government employee's pay comes from the taxpayer in the first place. But you just don't get it do you? "

    Dave wrote on Jun 28, 2008 9:04 PM:

    " I hope our city didn't pay for this study because any village idiot could figure this news headline out.left and right. And if the city paid for this in any part, we need vote them out. All these leaders of our city want to do is spend money. But these so-called republicans bash democrats for wasteing money left and right. Typical case of the pot calling the ketal black. How about saving money by quit buying new city vehicles every 3 years, get rid of the police robot bomb device/return computers back to Homeland Security/ATF ( Like we will have a terrorist attack in LHC) and eliminate these hairbrain ideas like median on McCulloch Blvd. I think the California influence has finally reached the point that they are the ones running this city. They wanted so bad to leave Cali because of the rules there, but once they left they want/are used to the way of life in Cali that they start wanting to change their new town(LHC) with the rules and regulations like they had in Cali. I moved here 7 years ago from WY and I've seen major changes in the last couple years since Mayor Nexan has been in office. I'm 44 yoa and when market gets back up again I'm selling a getting out Havasu. Nexan and his police natzi's will drive the this city into the dirt.
    David Stiff "

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