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Paramedic cleared of wrongdoing
DHS report: Allegations were unsubstantiated

By Tony Waggoner
Today's News-Herald
Published Sunday, September 7, 2008 6:55 PM MST

The Arizona Department of Health Services has cleared Lake Havasu City Firefighter Paramedic Joe Tobin of any wrongdoing during his handling of 72-year-old patient Terri Taylor in October 2007.


The DHS report released Saturday stated that all allegations against Tobin were unsubstantiated.

The allegations came to light after an investigation by City Manager Richard Kaffenberger accused Tobin of improperly handling the administration of medical protocols to Taylor. Dennis Wilson, a city investigator and former Captain with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, was appointed by Kaffenberger to conduct the investigation.

Tobin was accused of improperly administering shock treatment to Taylor while she was in cardiac arrest, falsifying documents that reported the time and the sequence in which two medications were administered to Taylor. Tobin was also accused of destroying early drafts of Taylor’s medical report, which would have identified he had falsified the time and sequence in which treatment was administered to Taylor.

The DHS report found Tobin had not deviated from regional protocols and care algorithms and had not administered shock treatment to Taylor while she was in cardiac arrest. DHS determined Tobin had completed hand-written documentation indicating the procedure he followed upon arrival at the Taylor home.

DHS determined Tobin had not falsified the time and sequence in which the two medications were administered in his report, and the paramedic had only prepared revisions of his initial documentation notes of the incident prior to submitting the formal report to the Havasu Regional Medical Center.

Tobin had refuted all three allegations, which were brought about by former River Medical Paramedic Peggy Gould, from the beginning, and now says the fact that Wilson’s investigation came five to six months after the incident occurred his final determination couldn’t possibly have been complete. Tobin and Mark Beals, Vice-President of the Lake Havasu City Firefighters Association, both said many of the documents could not have been available to Wilson due to the Health Information Privacy Act (HIPA), something Dr. Debra Gulyanics, Medical Director at Havasu Regional has been saying all along.

Gulyanics said HIPA laws even prevent family members in some circumstances from receiving information on their loved one. She argued Wilson could not obtain the information he needed, so he simply concluded the hospital and paramedics were concealing it. This allowed Wilson to make his own determination based solely upon Gould’s version of the incident.

“He had one side of the story,” Gulyanics said. “He was at the liberty to take a machine gun and take pothole shots at us, and I am really upset about him torpedoing the paramedics.”

Beals and Gulyanics both wondered how Wilson could conduct an investigation into the medical procedures of paramedics when he didn’t understand what the procedures were.

Gulyanics also said Wilson should have come to her for the information about the procedures instead of going to the paramedics, and he did not.

She and Beals both said Wilson went to the paramedics and sort of blindsided them without scheduling appointments. Beals feels was done to intimidate the paramedics.

Kaffenberger defended Wilson’s investigation, stating DHS found what they found, and Wilson found what he found. Kaffenberger said he has accepted Wilson’s findings, because the findings were based upon what Tobin and the other paramedics involved had said. He plans on continuing to look into how each of the city departments can allow for better communication procedures.

Tobin and Beals believe the entire medical system in Lake Havasu City was dragged through the mud, due to the controversy, and they are wondering why. They believe Kaffenberger had the right to look into the allegations, because it was his job, but they think the investigation was conducted in a hostile and bias manner.

They also believe the media led the public to believe the paramedics killed Taylor, which was not the case. Beals pointed out, Taylor was not breathing when the paramedics arrived at her home. When she arrived at the hospital, she had a heartbeat. Taylor died two days later at a Las Vegas hospital, due to causes unrelated to the treatment administered by paramedics.

Regardless, Tobin and Beals feel it is now time for the Fire Department to rebuild the community’s trust. They believe the findings vindicate all parties involved and show the community that the paramedics were simply doing their jobs according to procedure and protocol.

“For us to be successful, we have to have the public’s trust,” Beals said. “We would like the public to know we continue to provide a professional service, and we hold their trust sacred.”

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Comments (113 comment(s))

    i love my FD PD wrote on Sep 25, 2008 11:35 AM:

    " Thank you FD & PD. Being the child of a hero .. not knowing why daddy comes home in the morning and immediately hugs you so hard you can't breathe and he tears up. Visiting your daddy in the hospital after he put his life in danger for another person. It's scary. Thank you for everything you do!!! "

    NagaSeeTee wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:15 PM:

    " My husband & I do not know who the hell is Tobin and we do not know anybody in the fire department but my husband had a bad experience with them last May. We are both respectable citizens of this town-PERIOD and my husband had an accident. Then this paramedic guy just treated him like crap while he was bleeding to death & half unconscious; he was yelling at my husband and telling him that: "the cops aren't here yet (or SOMETHING like: "there are no cops on duty today") and you are stupid to get into an accident, blah, blah..." I was not near the paramedic van but my husband told me 24 hrs later how this paramedic treated him on his worst day of his life. Why is this town full of misfits even from the very person who should show concern/care? You men & women in uniform of this town: do you really think because of your uniform you are invincible & untouchable!? Do you really think you are better than a civilian!? What if my husband can talk at that time and just told you to "f-off"? You'd be embarassed wouldn't you? Or yell more to show who's boss? Btw, to those who would be reading this & have violent reaction, PeLEEZZZ??? Don't waste your time typing your rave against me, I don't visit this after I write my comment. Just read b/w the lines of this news. You'll learn more. Mr. Kaffenberger: sir, this is just the beginning. I am keeping a journal of these on & off the record misconducts. If this happen again, that means you were actually right. Ciao readers! "

    goodidea wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:09 PM:

    " Someone here said' Pay the firefighters for their performance'.. I agree, 1 million to each firefighter who saved someone from the train wreck in Chatsworth..
    You people remind me of the gangs in L.A. " Frig the police" But who do they call when they need help? Yes, the police. "

    Some one complained so quit whinning wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:12 PM:

    " Hold your horses all you firemen lovers out there. SOMEONE made a complaint where someone died during treatment. Good god this absolutely demands an investigation. Ok the paramedic was cleared by the State, fine and good for him and the City who would have had to pay out MILLIONS, but by god the CM has the duty and obligation to investigate. This is the REAL WORLD so all you firemen posters just calm down, grow up, and get used to it. And unfortunately one day the FD and some Firemen will get sued when some attorney thinks he has a case so GET USED TO IT - ITS THE REAL WORLD. In the mean time the citizens support you - and our police - and we do not fault our city manger. He's just looking out for the city and to ensure integrity so just act professional, check the ego, and try to give us the best service possible. "

    Richard Epps wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:09 AM:

    " I have read alot of this and I must tell you that I know Joe Tobin and have known him before he was a Paramedic and I must say that this whole thing sounds like a Witch Hunt. Joe Tobin is a great medic, I have watched him work on many calls and I am not involved in the fire department of ambukance service. I think that its an absolute shame that our city is hunting its own employees, Once it was found that Joe did nothing wrong they should have backed off. We owe Joe and all the other Paramedics an appology "

    Move On wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:58 PM:

    " Lets move on. We know that Kaffy is what he is and we are stuck, we know that the Fire Department did nothing wrong and we know that the complainers need to complain . You bloggers are pathetic get a life, get a job, get off the computer and go outside it nice. Maybe you will change your whole out look on your pathetic life. "

    look at the real problems wrote on Sep 14, 2008 7:13 PM:

    " When will the CM turn his attention to the real issues of Havasu. The CVB, the courts and the ralationships between them and the police too.

    Time to clean up the real problems in Havasu. Leave the heroes of Havasu alone. "

    To reality check wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:12 PM:

    " HAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha... "

    Get a reality check wrote on Sep 14, 2008 4:38 PM:

    " Nobody ever said the Fire service was free, or that I risk my life for others for free...It is a very expensive profession...But the money is minimal when it comes to the lives we save in the process, Don't you think??? It is the cost of doing business. Just be happy that there are individuals willing to risk their lives to protect the lives of others on a moments notice...That is what its all about... "

    Come on wrote on Sep 14, 2008 3:25 PM:

    " Bring it back to the subject... These guys have all been cleared for this mess. Why is the city manager so insistent that there has been wrong doing? I smell a rat!
    I think this is an inside job, and Mr. K has just cost us all alot of money (investigation, time / effort of city employees, the lawsuits headed our way). Thanks alot Mr.K... "

    TO FIREFIGHTER wrote on Sep 14, 2008 11:24 AM:

    " IF THAT IS THE PROFESSION YOU CHOSE, GOOD FOR YOU. WE ALL CHOSE WHAT PROFESSION WE WANTED. YOU PROBABLY STILL HAVE AN OPTION OF CHOOSING ANOTHER. BY HE WAY, PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE POLICE WITH THIS. THEY CHANGED THEIR IMAGE AND TACTICS AND GETTING POSITIVE RESPONSE.

    "FIREFIGHTER" MIGHT WANT TO TAKE NOTE AND ASK HOW THEY DID IT. "

    Calhav wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:56 AM:

    " " If it is a fire, you pay 1000 bucks per truck per hour. Sounds like somebody who has Rural Metro for their fire Department , which so many on here propose the City Go too.
    From Bennie, who had his truck and toys towed for being parked 72 hrs a month ago. He was the First into the Train. He said the strangest thing to handle was all the Cell phones on the dead ringing presumed to be from family members trying to reach them. "

    Idiots wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:04 PM:

    " Oh yeah wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:44 PM:
    " If it is a fire, you pay 1000 bucks per truck per hour. Thanks for the free service firedepartment! "

    Fires are included in the taxes too.
    Your Welcome for the free service... "

    Fire firefighter wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:28 PM:

    " And I Quote from LAFD FIRE CAPT Hogan. in the recent train crash.

    "There are some things we are trained for, there are some things I don't care what kind of training you have, you don't always prepare for," Hogan said. "This situation, particularly early on, with people inside the train, with the injuries, and with people moaning and crying and screaming, it was a traumatic experience."

    Is that in your job description? didn't think so! shut up or put up you FD/PD haters!

    Oh and when was then last train crash you say? It was approximately 10 years ago at a washed out bridge next to Yucca when a AmTrak drove over a whole. 300+ patients. "

    Jorge wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:25 PM:

    " I think I can speak for every one involved in the Emergency Services of this city when I say; thank you to all our supporters and it truley is an honor to serve you. "

    Calhav wrote on Sep 13, 2008 12:48 PM:

    " You know Last night there were 244 people most who were not residents of Los Angeles County , but Ventura County. They do not pay taxes in Los Angeles City. Yet I don't think you'll here any LA Residents Complaining that they should not have received the Care they did. Havasu is reminding me of Grumpy Old Men "

    TAXES wrote on Sep 13, 2008 10:12 AM:

    " Once again people are wrong. The Fire Departmet Assistance Tax in in place to cover the costs of the services outside your PRIMARY FD district. IE you live in havasu and get in a car wreck in Yucca, you dont get a bill. It is a county tax, not local, end everybody pays it, so suck it up. "

    to No for LHCFD wrote on Sep 13, 2008 12:05 AM:

    " Where did you obtain your information? You should go back and check your info again. LHCFD is funded through the city property tax and sales tax which go into the general fund. The people living outside the city pay a fire district tax, this is part of thier annual tax bill. The people living in the city are not required to pay the fire district tax since their fire protection is funded through the property and sales tax. "

    Thanks wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:05 PM:

    " To D and all the others who have supported the FD as well as the PD and Ambo throughout this whole ordeal.....
    Thanks! "

    No for LHCFD wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:05 PM:

    " If you want to be outraged about your taxes going to fire departments then the issue of fire districts should be looked at! LHCFD is not a fire district and does not recieve these funds. Havasu property taxes fund Bullhead, Kingman, Desert Hills and many other small departmnets but not Havasu's. It's another example of Havasu funding the rest of the county! "

    Cal Hav wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:54 PM:

    " Heck, I'm being charged so you guys can sit home and collect a Social Security Checks and play on the computer. Most of you get more in a month than you contributed in a year back when you were productive. "

    charges wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:19 AM:

    " Why do people state false statements? I think Richard has it right on. I for one don't use the dog park but guess what I am paying for it through taxes. If people have problems with the fire department and think that they charge so much, when have a fire good luck with our garden hose and if you have a medical problem then drive to the hospital. If you live here in town and pay taxes......you are paying for the services of the fire department and the police department. Last time I checked I didn't get a bill from the FIRE DEPARTMENT when I called them. I guess there are just those few that do. ALL I have to say is continue to pay your taxes. God Bless "

    Richard wrote on Sep 12, 2008 9:54 AM:

    " Once again uneducated people spouting off. Ok, if you consider your taxes charges, then yes they do charge. You should complain that you are getting charged for the dog park you don't use, or even better, YOU ARE BEING CHARGED TO CLEAN UP A PRIVATE PROPERTY! If thats not an outrage what is? Every city dept. "charges". Do you recieve a bill everytime you call the FD? No. You can call them as many times as you want for that tax charge. Also I would say $1000 per hour is wrong. More like $400 which in my opinion is VERY reasonable. Anyways I am sick of reading comments by people who will never have anything good to say. Good job LHCFD, you are top notch! Don't let the negative comments get to you. "

    charges wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:40 PM:

    " The fire dept "Charges" plenty for the services we use. Do you people pay taxes? Check your tax statement...WE PAY for this service. As far as the ambulance goes, the rates are controlled by the State of Arizona, and not the ambulance company. "

    Oh yeah wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:44 PM:

    " If it is a fire, you pay 1000 bucks per truck per hour. Thanks for the free service firedepartment! "

    LAFDLHCFD wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:52 AM:

    " THEY HAVE NO IDEA,KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ! "

    Dont call complainers wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:41 AM:

    " To all you complainers, I would like to hear you when you or a family member needs help. I would be ashamed to call 911. Take care of your loved one yourself that way you won't put down our firedept, police etc etc. and you only have yourself to blame for the consequences if they don't turn out your way. And so many of you are couch potatoes so keep your mouths shut. "

    So silly... wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:35 AM:

    " Where are some of you getting this info that the fire department charges for their services? THEY DON'T!! Take a closer look at your statement. Most likely it's from River Medical or the hospital. Please get your facts strait before posting. "

    LHC MOM wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:18 AM:

    " Thank you to whoever wrote the poem. By the time I got to the end I was in tears. I could never do what our PD or FD does. I commend those that put their lives on the line everyday so that I and my friends and family might live another day...even though they don't know who I am. In their line of work some live, some don't and when they lose a life...trust me, it's hard on them too. So the next time you want to bash them just sit back and think "I'm gonna need them some day." Keep up the wonderful job LHPD & LHFD. "

    Paul Wall wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:04 AM:

    " When are you people going to learn? You are on here talking about the FD has to go because you recieved a outragous bill. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT CHARGE! Your tax dollars pay for it. Now the ambulance service.....thats another story. "

    Kris wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:01 PM:

    " The LHC Fire Department ROCKS! Don't listen to the ignorant comments here - you know what you do is important to the majority - Nothing will ever be good enough for some. Love you.... "

    Sandi wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:32 PM:

    " Thank you LHCFD! You came every time my Mother needed you, which was many times before her passing, and were there with a smile and professionalism. Both my nephews are firefighters, EMT's/Paramedics in California. I know what you do and truly appreciate it all. "

    a supporter wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:41 PM:

    " firedept, cops, paramedics, soldiers-please don't let a few negative nellies get you down! You do a fine job! I am sure there are days when you don't much feel like going to work, like the rest of us, but you go anyways because that is your job. You wouldn't be in the field you are in, if you didn't care about your fellow man! Keep up the good work and keep the faith! "

    Thomas wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:32 PM:

    " Those fire guys doing hydrants in 100+ degree weather, what happens when they have been out all day and they get a fire? Better roll RMI for heat exhaustion. I know everyone is going to say other city departments work in the heat. But the stress put on a human in the heat and fire gear can put someone in danger. I read some statistics once that said firemen only live an average of 7 yrs past retirement. I have known firemen my whole life (some of my best friends) and they have all been good people. I am glad to hear that the scam the city manager started is over. "

    to Jennifer wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:25 PM:

    " This has nothing to do with the investigation, people like me get a personal bad experiences and an outrages bills. The firedepartment has to go, it is time for a change and just like against the greedy badly performing hospital, the opposition is growing. Most of the people are on fixed income and they want better cheaper service from the firedepartment and from the hospital! No more cheating, more respect, etc... "

    Changes Have Come wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:44 AM:

    " It has been a long time since fireman sat arround all day in their chairs or played checkers arround the kitchen table. While there is downtime the majority of the day time working hours (7am to 6 pm with a 1 hour lunch, yes we work a 10 hour day) is spent training, preforming station and aparatus maintnance, phisical phitness, public education, fire prevention, and more training. This has allowd us to become a safer, more effectice, and profesional Fire service that you as a citizen can be proud of.
    The problem with this is that most people do no take the time to know what we do on a daily basis and the only contact they have is when they call us or what the read in the paper,see it on the news. For thoes of you who take pleasure in seeing the Fire Department pulling weeds on the side o fthe road because they are finaly are doing somthing, keep in mind they are just adding it to their daily rutine, fitting it in between the training and education, and they are doing it with a smile knowing they are serving the public. "

    To all of you who think you know wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:57 AM:

    " "I Wish You Could Know"
    I wish you could know what it is like to search a burning bedroom for
    trapped children at 3AM, flames rolling above your head, your palms and
    knees burning as you crawl, the floor sagging under your weight as the
    kitchen below you burns.

    I wish you could comprehend a wife's horror at 6 in the morning as I check
    her husband of 40 years for a pulse and find none. I start CPR anyway,
    hoping to bring him back, knowing intuitively it is too late. But wanting
    his wife and family to know everything possible was done to try to save his life.

    I wish you knew the unique smell of burning insulation, the taste of
    soot-filled mucus, the feeling of intense heat through your turnout gear,
    the sound of flames crackling, the eeriness of being able to see absolutely
    nothing in dense smoke-sensations that I've become too familiar with.

    I wish you could read my mind as I respond to a building fire "Is this A
    false alarm or a working fire? How is the building constructed? What hazards
    await me? Is anyone trapped?" Or to call, "What is wrong with the patient?
    Is it minor or life-threatening? Is the caller really in distress or is he waiting for us with a 2x4 or a gun?"

    I wish you could be in the emergency room as a doctor pronounces dead the
    beautiful five-year old girl that I have been trying to save during the past
    25 minutes. Who will never go on her first date or say the words, "I love you Mommy" again.

    I wish you could know the frustration I feel in the cab of the engine, squad,
    or my personal vehicle, the driver with his foot pressing down hard on the
    pedal, my arm tugging again and again at the air horn chain, as you fail to
    yield the right-of-way at an intersection or in traffic. When you need us
    however, your first comment upon our arrival will be, "It took you forever to get here!"

    I wish you could know my thoughts as I help extricate a girl of teenage years
    from the remains of her automobile. "What if this was my daughter, sister, my
    girlfriend or a friend? What were her parents reaction going to be when they
    opened the door to find a police officer with hat in hand?"

    I wish you could know how it feels to walk in the back door and greet my
    parents and family, not having the heart to tell them that I nearly did not
    come back from the last call.

    I wish you could know how it feels dispatching officers, firefighters and
    EMT's out and when we call for them and our heart drops because no one answers
    back or to here a bone chilling 911 call of a child or wife needing assistance.

    I wish you could feel the hurt as people verbally, and sometimes physically,
    abuse us or belittle what I do, or as they express their attitudes of, "It will never happen to me.

    I wish you could realize the physical, emotional and mental drain or missed
    meals, lost sleep and forgone social activities, in addition to all the
    tragedy my eyes have seen.

    I wish you could know the brotherhood and self-satisfaction of helping save
    a life or preserving someone's property, or being able to be there in time
    of crisis, or creating order from total chaos.

    I wish you could understand what it feels like to have a little boy tugging
    at your arm and asking, "Is Mommy okay?" Not even being able to look in his
    eyes without tears from your own and not knowing what to say. Or to have to
    hold back a long time friend who watches his buddy having CPR done on him as
    they take him away in the Medic Unit. You know all along he did not have his
    seat belt on. A sensation that I have become too familiar with.

    Unless you have lived with this kind of life, you will never truly understand
    or appreciate who I am, we are, or what our job really means to us......

    I wish you could though.

    * author unknown * "

    JenniferG wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:09 AM:

    " All I can do is laugh at the negative comments on here. You can tell they are by the same people over and over. They are mad at the FD because of the investigation. Its over and the facts are out, THEY ARE STILL MAD! Nothing will make them happy. If they had their way and fired everyone, they would have issues with the new batch of people. Don't let them get to you LHCFD, THEY ARE THE MINORITY! Keep up the good work, and I hope after all he has put you through the city manager issues a formal apology. "

    old n gray wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:06 PM:

    " I don't care what the firemen do at the station! I needed them once and they came quick they new what they were doing and best of all they were a very nice bunch of boys. Fire don't let a bunch of johnny-come-latley carpet baggers bring you down. "

    Changes are coming wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:05 PM:

    " Kumbaja to the ,heroes' of the firedepartment, changes and the new set of firefighters are coming! For less money more competency and less whyning! "

    To All Our Fireman wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:22 PM:

    " GET OVER IT . KAFFY IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE ALREADY PROVED THAT. YOU'RE JUST A MINORITY NOW, WITH NOT ENOUGH CLOUT ANYMORE. ITS TIME YOU PUT IN A FULL DAYS WORK, AND NOT JUST SIT OUT THERE AT THE COUNTRY CLUB (AIRPORT) STATION. HYDRANTS ARE A VERY IMPORTANT FUNCTION OF OUR CITY AND WE'RE GLAD YOU GUYS ARE FINALLY DOING SOMETHING IN YOUR NORMAL DAY'S WORK. WE KNOW YOU HAVE CALLS THROUGHOUT YOUR SHIFTS, BUT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T RESPOND FROM OUTSIDE THE STATION. COPS DO IT ALL THE TIME. THEY CAN'T SIT IN THEIR RECLINERS UNTIL A CALL COMES IN NOW CAN THEY. LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, KAFFY IS DOING A GREAT JOB.

    GET OVER IT AND PLAY NICE. "

    To JUST MY OPINION wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:00 PM:

    " Well, the fact that you say RMI "Will not let the FD in the back of the bus" is just assanine and uninformed. That will never happen, because it adversely affects pt care. The reason the fire dept rides in is to aid in pt care. Plus, it's part of medical direction's policy. I don't think THAT will change. Get along boys and girls. Be adults. "

    Josh wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:53 PM:

    " To: JUST MY OPINION
    Not sure what territory battle you are talking about. RMI and LHCFD have worked great together for years! In fact, some of RMI's employees are retired from LHCFD. Everyone treats each other with respect. The problem stemmed from two new employees who felt it was ok to treat people like they were beneath them. "

    D wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:42 PM:

    " To Joe and everyone else who works in this EMS system, you are a phenomenal group of EMT's and Paramedics. I know this because I have the privilege of working with you everyday. Not only are you put in extraordinary situations, but you are expected to be on the top of your game at the blink of any eye,no matter what time it is.I am so proud of you, Nic and Mike for your professionalism throughout all of this. I never lost faith in you and I hope the community will start to realize how fortunate they are. When they call 911 they will get the best of the best. I certainly think alot of people owe a formal apology to all of you. Keep your heads held high and know that we have and will always stand behind you. "

    Lisa Tobin Joe Tobins wife wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:23 PM:

    " To "Tobins DHS Report":
    Please feel free to go to the LHC Fire Assoc. website (www.lhcpffa.org) to view Joe's investigative findings. Happy reading!!!!!! "

    How soon we forget wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:14 PM:

    " Let us not forget! LHC FD has pulled out children, adults, dogs, cats, birds, lizards and snakes some live some dead. I think they saved some fish once too! "

    WHAT IS GOING ON HERE wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:01 PM:

    " Kaffey you got some splaining to do. How did DHS who used all of the information you sent them (tapes& report) come to an entirely different conclusion. How is it that all the outside agencies have different results than Mr. Wilson? Something is not right! "DHS found what they found Wilson found what he found" WHAT IS THAT????? PLEASE TELL US THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. Maybe the city manager's office needs some citizen oversight! The city council sure doesn't want to do it "

    Just My Opinion wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:21 PM:

    " I think everyone needs to let the whole FD/RMI thing go to bed. Yes, there are problems with the system and it's not perfect. I know for a fact the people involved in trying to make the system better are doing the absolute best job they can with what they have to work with. The problem is that everyone needs to be on the same page and work together as a team. It shouldn't matter if you show up on a truck or on a box the job is the patient and providing the absolute best care you can to that person. These people all train together and work together. There should not be any issues with these stupid territory battles because the only person your hurting is the person your there to help. As a long time member of the Fire Service what most forget is that it is an honor to wear the uniform and to represent your department and your community. Take pride in your community and in your co-workers no matter what uniform they wear. LHC medics need to treat everyone else the way they want to be treated. Remember, you are not like Phoenix, Glendale or any of the other departments in the valley. Your ambulance provider is not there by contract to your department. They have a legal right to operate in the city just like you do. Treat them with respect or they will stop letting you in the back of their bus. "

    hehehe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:00 AM:

    " Kaffengerberger was on his way out. The fire union saved his job and now everyone hates and wants to replace the firedepartment. Good job union guys! Can you start representing the lawyers too? "

    bert wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:16 AM:

    " Happy to see the FD vindicated. These paramedics go above and beyond. Paramedic school is really hard. Lots of studying to do as long as you are a paramedic. They have to look at a lot of gore. They see child abuse up front. Give them a break. They are doing their best. They get a lot of abuse from a lot of people. People get combative with them. They don't carry guns for protection. These investigations need to be kept private. I was appalled that this investigation was made public. The City manager should have known better. I think he needs management classes. "

    To Let us not forget wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:16 AM:

    " That's an old poem that you didn't write. It's circulated the internet for years. I think it was really written for public servants that gave their lives. I highly doubt any of the fireman in LHC would run into a burning building to risk my kids life...maybe a kitten instead. "

    Tobins DHS report wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:13 AM:

    " So just curious where Tobin's DHS report is? Why can't the public see what his says? How do we know the TRUTH if we can't see it? "

    Watch Dog wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:56 AM:

    " Public beware! the city manager and his supporters Martha, Dean, Sam and Denny are still plotting to trash and Destroy the Fire Department who has done nothing but provide exellent service to the city for forty years! "

    disgusted wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:42 AM:

    " Hey Sturdevant, do you still give Kaffy a 5 rating? Let me guess, he still met your high expectations didn't he? It's time for the council to reevaluate and recalculate! Let Barnes do the math in the end he's good at it. Nexson and the rest of the council need soul search and do what's right. Enough is enough! "

    to KAFFY STILL WON wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:16 AM:

    " The citizens of Lake Havasu LOST, and that is really what counts. "

    Bill P wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:22 PM:

    " The investigation in the case of the paramedic's,and fire department appears to have been by a person that has been out of the loop for a while. Just because this person was a retired captain from a police department does not mean he was qualified to perform this investigation. Being a captain I would assume he sat behind a desk, and had officer's working under him that were more than likely more qualified in their job than he was. The old saying people in manangement positions are just figure heads. I do respect this captain and what he did when he was active.

    I question the city in that when are they going to wake up, and see the writing on the wall that this city manager is not what this city needs? I am sure Mark should be by now questioning this person ability to be in this position, as it does reflect on mark, and the city council. I am sure they will do the right thing.

    As for the citizen's of LAKE HAVASU, and Desert Hill's you do have the most outstanding care to be given to you when you call 911, when the first responder's arrive, and when advance life support arrive on seen. These Men, and Women have mutiple senario's that they have to evaluate when arriving on a scene. I can assure you that in Mohave county you do have the best. I know as I have had the priveledge to be part of the evaluating team of these Caregiver's and have nothing but prase for the job that they do.

    For the ones of you that have bad comments for the fire department, and the ambulance crews Just remember one day you will need their help. When they arrive they will be professional, and give you the best care as that is all they know how to do, and that's how they have been trained.

    LHCFD, DHFD,and Ambulance service keep up the outstanding job that you have always done. "

    Kaffy Still won wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:52 PM:

    " Don't get to carried away, Fire's OT budget still got cut. Guess our heroes can't sit on their behind and get paid overtime. Nice to see them finally working for their regular pay checking and cleaning hydrants. And their actually doing some physical labor pulling weeds in washes. Way to go Kaffy!!! "

    Whatever wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:23 PM:

    " Wasnt there another death investigation? That person was MUCH younger. What happened with that? "

    Calhav wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:07 PM:

    " NO lhfd How much cheaper can you get than free. Fire Doesn;t charge.. River Medical Does. "

    talker wrote on Sep 8, 2008 3:42 PM:

    " GOD BLESS LHCFD, AND THE LHCPD "

    Tax Payer wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:30 PM:

    " Lets here more from the majority of the tax payers. It is nice to finally here the truth. The City Manager has cut the budget at the expense of safety and discredited the cities emergeceny services. He made it known that he was having DHS, the 3rd investigative entity, investigate compalints that were either already remediated or unfounded by other investigations other than the City Managers. He was looking for DHS to support his agenda. To allow him to break down a great system. Folks it is clear that the City Manager has twisted all matters to his liking / agenda when possible. Today he commented in the paper "Kaffenberger defended Wilson’s investigation, stating DHS found what they found, and Wilson found what he found. Kaffenberger said he has accepted Wilson’s findings, because the findings were based upon what Tobin and the other paramedics involved had said. He plans on continuing to look into how each of the city departments can allow for better communication procedures." DHS read Wilsons report, listened to all Wilson's taped audio, and then finished an investigation based on two complaints / cases and Dennis Wilsons / the City Managers allegations. DHS is well aware of Mr. Wilsons findings, they were just one sided, incomplete and opinionated. DHS looked at each and every fact proving the outcome of their investigation. This was all another discusting waste of tax payer money to discredit good people and the City Manager by his statement supports this behavior. Unbelieveable. Whats next? Closing fire stations, decreased services and a big red bow that says nothing has changed. Wake up folks and get involved, it is our essential emergency services being damaged and we are paying for it!!! "

    Pen to Paper wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:36 PM:

    " Dear Bloggers,
    We are finally hearing from what I feel is the TRUE vocal Majority. PLEASE...put pen to paper and write a letter to the editor. Not enough people take the time to read blogs (and I don't blame them). Many of you obviously have the facts...dont let them go to waste. Pen to paper my friends...pen to paper! Great job LHCFD! "

    MN wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:33 PM:

    " letusnotforget, I got goosebumps reading your post. Thank a fire fighter, thank a cop, thank a paramedic, thank a soldier. They all put thier lives in danger every day. You can sit on here and blog all you want about injustice, but until you do something productive, all it is, is blah, blah, blah! "

    Let us not forget wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:56 PM:

    " I would like to say thank you to all of our city's Fire, Police and Paramedics. Its obvious that those who are blogging so negatively have not been unfortunate enough to need one of these guys/gals, otherwise u would be more thankfull for the sacrifice they give daily on the off chance that you or your loved one might need them.

    The Last Alarm
    My father was a fireman, he drove a big red truck
    And when he'd go to work each day he'd say "Mother, wish me luck"
    Then dad would not come home again until sometime the next day
    But the thing that bothered me the most was the things some folks would say
    A fireman's life is easy, he eats and sleeps and plays,
    and sometimes he won't fight a fire for many, many days
    When I first heard these words I was young to understand
    But I knew when people had trouble Dad was there to lend a hand

    Then my father went to work one day and kissed us all goodbye
    but little did we realize that night we all would cry
    My father lost his life that night when the floor gave way below
    And I wondered why he'd risked his life for someone he did not know
    But now I truly realize the greatest gift a man can give
    is to lay his life upon the line so that someone else might live
    so as we go from day to day and pray to God above
    Say a prayer for your local fireman
    He may save the ones you love


    How lucky most of us have been......now stop complaining and lets make sure our city makes it possible for these guys to continue protecting our great city. "

    ME wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:49 PM:

    " How much did this phoney allegation cost us taxpayers?? GO LHFD, POLICE DEPT. AND PARAMEDICS!! "

    If you need too wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:42 PM:

    " If Kaffenburger needs to attack anyone in the city it should be people who deserve the attention. This city's head of the courts is horrible, but the police chief should get an award for the changes he has made. "

    coffee shop wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:40 PM:

    " Kaffie can you please get outta here and go get some work done. We're not paying you to drink coffee and gossip all day. "

    about time wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:38 PM:

    " Im sure the good residents of our city would rather have seen the money Kaffie wasted on Wilson be spent on something more productive.....like keeping our aquatic center open. How much money did P&R need to keep paying those lifeguards. Bet is was less than the "slush fund" Kaffie has available to fund witch hunts such as these. I say IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH or at a minimum will somebody please take away Kaffie's spending money he obviously isn't financially responsible. What a waste.

    On another note is Kaffenberg really the role model we want running our city. He was so vocal when it came to leaking inaccurate info to the Newspaper and dragging names thru the mud before he had all the facts. Now that he knows the truth where's the apology? i for one teach my kids to own up to their mistakes and "make it right". Not very honorable if you ask me. We need better leaders than that. Maybe our new council members can set a better example. "

    Waste of Taxpayers Money wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:57 AM:

    " It is amazing that the City Manager was able to find the additional $10,000 plus dollars that were needed to pay his friend to conduct an investigation into the paramedics even though they were cleared by two outside organizations prior to the start of this investigation. How much more money does he have to waste before the citizens of this community start to complain, how many more of his friends is he going to hire (Dennis Wilson, Paul Lenkowsky)

    To No LHFD please if you are going to post get your facts straight. The FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT CHARGE YOU FOR SHOWING UP TO HELP YOU, the only bill you get will be from AMR if they transport you. If you have an agenda against the fire department at least get your facts straight and come up with a credible argument. "

    Just shut up wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:32 AM:

    " Richard, Sam, Peggy, Dennis W; why do you continue to blog under anonomyous names and with such negativitey? JUST STOP IT AND LET IT GO. You can not and should not continue to let these comments post. Stop posting negative comments and let the MAJORITY have there happy hour. You had your day, lied and minipulated, destroyed the city and now its time to stop! "

    about time wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:15 AM:

    " Thank you to Tony Waggoner for finally reporting the other side. "

    Truth prevails wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:13 AM:

    " to Laughin at you.... know what vindication means??? Look it up even DHS didn't believe her. I'm glad to see that these hardworking firefighter/paramedics couldn't be dragged down by someone with a vengance who tried to drag their names thru the mud. Thank you to all of Lake Havasu City's Firefighters and AMR Paramedics. You guys do a great job and are always there when one of us needs you (even at all hours of the night). KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!

    And to WHY, where do you get your facts…who said the fire union tried to stop the investigation? They didn’t, quite the opposite- my husband was one of those involved and they welcomed a fair and unbiased investigation, like the one they got from DHS. "

    Yippee wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:39 AM:

    " "Gulyanics also said Wilson should have come to her for the information about the procedures instead of going to the paramedics, and he did not"
    Maybe gather facts before . . ."This allowed Wilson to make his own determination based solely upon Gould’s version of the incident." and maybe get both sides of the story... Oh wait...he was paid to show the PM was wrong not to gather facts and clear them? LHFD stand taller now! "

    Northbound wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:33 AM:

    " Glad to hear it, I work with many RMI medics/emts as well as many Firefighters the people that serve Mohave/La Paz County are the best I ever worked with. "

    FJA wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:29 AM:

    " Good job Joe! "

    T M wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:56 AM:

    " It sounds just like the association had been saying all along. An incomplete and bias investigation by the city manager and Mr. Wilson led the community to believe that the Paramedics were trying to hide something. Maybe now the community will start to look at the city managers inapropriate handling of these investigations and see that the association and its members are the ones looking out for the best interest of the city as a whole and not someones personal agenda. Remember the fire department members have chosen this field as a carreer and have devoted a lifetime to helping others, the city manager is only going to be around for a year or two and does not suffer from the recourse of his actions beyond his time here. "

    KauaiMedic wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:31 AM:

    " Good job guys. You showed real class during this witch hunt. The community has always been behind you. Just like any other places, there are always some bad apples that like to stir up the pot. Stay professional, and continue the tradition of commitment and honor. "

    Ridiculous wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:19 AM:

    " The Lake Havasu Medical community is easily dragged through the mud because it does little to nothing to set the record straight... It is refreshing to see the city act in a way to ensure the community is truly recieving safe and effective health care versus city officials simply ASSUMING paramedics/the hospital acted properly... Let's remember people the Hospital and First-Responders have a monopoly on their services, we rely on the city to ensure we're recieving fair treatment...

    As for the Paramedic, Fire Union, and the ER being ticked off; get over it, you won't be working with impunity any more... "

    hmmm wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:28 AM:

    " Didn't someone in the verrrrry beginning of this whole thing lambast Mr. Rudolf about obtaining credible information?? I think that point has been proven. SUBSTANTIATED. "

    TurkeyBurger wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:13 AM:

    " You spelled HIPAA wrong: http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/ "

    former hospital employee wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:07 AM:

    " Just goes to show: poop only rolls downhill. I'm happy this is finally OVER although surely the scars will remain forever. These sort of injuries usually fester every now and again, never go away. We owe ALL our EMT's and emergency responders a heartfelt APOLOGY. Why is it that only in the healthcare field are providers always considered guilty until they can prove themselves innocent? "

    thirty year lhc resident wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " Congratulation to Mr Tobin. He did his job, and stood his ground in the face of unfair accusations. You are the kind of man who the fire department should be proud to have as a employee. Unfortunately you are now spending your time checking fire hydrants and weeding washes, per an angry city manager. "

    Terry D wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:55 AM:

    " Sounds Like the city manager has reason' for doing this since the paramedic been cleared maybe the city manager needs to be investigated for abuse of power. "

    Why wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:32 AM:

    " If the paramedic did not do anything wrong, why did the fire union tried to stop the investigation? Something smells a rat here! "

    Dave Flaker wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:28 AM:

    " Why does every article end with the same line; "The type of component requested is unsupported" ? "

    T o Joe wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:26 AM:

    " Congadulations! It is nice to see that the truth finally came out. I have known you for alot longer than the 2 Colorado people have been here and have known you did nothing wrong. As far as all the negative bloggers: shut up and say something positive for a change. Stop bringing the system down and help us rebuild it. "

    sue baby sue wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:24 AM:

    " The family of the victim still can sue and get a reward! "

    RDS wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:16 AM:

    " ONE THING TO LEARN ABOUT THIS, RETIRED LOS ANGELES SHERIFF'S CAPTAIN DENNIS WILSON NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE ACADEMY AND TUNE-UP ON HIS INVESTIGATION SKILLS AND DO A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION BEFORE TURNING THE REPORT IN.. "WHO KNOWS THOUGH BACK IN HIS DAY???" "

    oh my my my wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:07 AM:

    " What's happening to all these numerous false allegations??!! They are falling apart at the seams as they have been investigated by the appropriate entity.

    The accused paramedics and RMI staff have a right to seek damages...Are the attorneys working on that yet? "

    Proud wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:37 AM:

    " Amen!!!!!!!!!! Those paramedics have been
    put through the biggest storms of their life's !!!! They finally deserve to have the truth put out there to clear their names!
    I guess I am a little bias but I am the mother-in-law of Paramedic Joe tobin and I am here to tell you he is one of the best! I know alot of these L.H.C. firemen
    and in any emergency you can bet you would not have to think twice with the professional care that would be taken with you or your love one's! That's what they are trained to do..... and believe me they are good at what they do!!!!! "

    Nightfalls wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:10 AM:

    " I have no problem trusting our paramedics, as I belive they saved my life three years ago. They have a good point, how can you base your determination when you can not get all the facts? I bet Wilson could not get paid by till the report was done. "

    toldyouso wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:08 AM:

    " wow, where is peggy and her mommy now...sticking up for your kid is one thing but right is always right...i have a towel to get that egg off her face... "

    no more intimidation wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:52 AM:

    " This means the firedepartment will stop herassing and intimidating the people who voiced their oppinion to support the citymanager? Hurray! "

    partnership wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:51 AM:

    " I heard they have new partnership between the local (shameful) hospital and our (shameful) firedepartment. The hospital will set big fires in their computer room and the firedepartment will fill those new empty beds and keep the coroner busy! "

    NO lhfd wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:47 AM:

    " If I have to call 911, I will specify, I need River Paramedics! They are cheaper and better! "

    Shame on the firedepartment wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:43 AM:

    " The union paid off the DHS and the firedepartment sucks! They just covered up on other crime and they will do it again and again! "

    real hero wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:35 AM:

    " What about the other charges? Cheating with the overtimes, calling in sick without real reason, etc...? "

    John Q public wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:01 PM:

    " It is about time that the news paper publishes a correct article regarding the Fire Department ugliness!!!! Every story does have 2 sides and 2 correct sides and to date we have only heard the mockery of the Kaffenberger/Wilson side show...Maybe now this will put all of the lies the little old grey haired man just trying to do his job to bed for good. Or maybe we should see if the President of the United States would like to get involved. Now Kaffenberger needs to go back to pencil pushing and counting beans and let the department heads that are certified the run their own departments.
    I am unsure if this will make it on line due to Kaffenberger having the Newspaper in his back pocket. "

    Absolutely ridiculous wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:48 PM:

    " Here we have yet another twisted Havasu chaos involving a warped display of he said / she said. By the time everybody is done scattering so many lies, and stretched out versions of the truth, no one knows what’s right or who to believe! What a travesty. I can think of no one I know who can honestly say they take stock in any of the recent embarrassments. What a loss of human trust, again! "

    Calhav wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:40 PM:

    " Sound like Kaffenberger lost this one too, Also sound like he is not going to leave it alone. So it looks like he has egg all over his face now. "

    HEE HEE HEE wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:40 PM:

    " Who's laughing now??? Good to see the truth finally came out. In the end it always does. Now maybe our city can get back to where it was. "

    citizen wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:28 PM:

    " And we thank you for the great job you all do. "

    a little info about DHS wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:21 PM:

    " SO if you want to know who's at DHS...it's paramedics and EMTs and administrators and nurses and physicians. THAT is who should be questioning and regulating the practice, documentation, and scope of paramedics and EMTs, not NON-medical people. Hmm. Should paramedics start investigating the practice of police officers? Let's see how that works out. "

    TRUTH wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:18 PM:

    " Finaly the truth comes out and we can put this mess behind us. Let's just hope we don't get another witch hunt because people have a agenda against our GREAT Fire Department. We never lost our faith in thoes guys and gal's and we never will KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!! "

    Jorge wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:09 PM:

    " How about that! The truth comes out. Drink it in you FD Nay-sayers, Drink it in! "

    Finally wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:44 PM:

    " Finally the truth comes out. Relieved its finally over... "

    HA wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:26 PM:

    " We knew it all along. Joe Tobin, I have known you to be a great medic during all of my professional years in Havasu, and I have worked with the best... "

    Money over people wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:18 PM:

    " The Paramedics in Lake Havasu are great, life is good until you get to our hospital. "

    Who is Dennis Wilson wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:08 PM:

    " Isn't it against city policy for an employee to campaign for city council candidates? While working for the city, Dennis Wilson was working on the campaign of Don Callahan. He also worked on the campaign of Mayor Nexsen and Margaret Nyberg. He was out pounding signs for Hvlat, also. Gee, try and get all your friends elected then have them give you money for making things up. Sounds like a good job to me. "

    Fire Kaffenberger wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:03 PM:

    " So, the City Manager pays his buddy to find some dirt on the Fire Department, and when he can't find it he makes it up??? Three different agencies investigated this and found nothing wrong!!!! Kaffenberger stands by the report his buddy made up. Whatever happened to the good of the community and trying to make our city look good? All he does is attack the Fire Department. Get rid of him. "

    Finally wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:57 PM:

    " There will still be nay sayers! Regardless, it is nice to see the Today News finally report more accurately and actually interview the firefighters involved. Great Job LHCFD. Keep up the great work you do and don't be discouraged by the vocal minority. Good on ya Joe! "

    Wadda ya say now... wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:19 PM:

    " to Laughin at you....

    Know what vindication means??? Look it up even DHS didn't believe her. I'm glad to see that these hardworking firefighter/paramedics couldn't be dragged down by someone with a vengance who tried to drag their names in the mud. Thank you to all of Lake Havasu City's Firefighters and AMR Paramedics. You guys do a great job and are always there when one of us needs you (even at all hours of the night). KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!! "

    gee imagine that wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:09 PM:

    " the cm is an a$$, go back to bullhead "

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