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City board adjusts code for signage
Sign’s height now measured from highway centerline

By NATHAN BRUTTELL
Today's News-Herald
Published Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:46 PM MST

A local business is no longer considering leaving Lake Havasu City after the Board of Adjustment reconsidered city development code Wednesday night.


The board voted 5-0 to allow Mohave Signs to build a sign 30 feet above the centerline of State Route 95.

Based on staff recommendations the board agreed in September to allow a sign for a new McDonald’s and Chevron gas station that would have been 35 feet from the ground but only a few feet above State Route 95. As with any variance request, an applicant may reapply as long as the new application differs from the old.

Wednesday night, the board considered a sign built on the southeast end of the property as opposed to the north.

“I was very happy with not just the ruling but (the board’s) logic,” McDonald’s USA Real Estate Manager Dennis Watts said. “I think that the first hearing there may have been some confusion that muddied the water a little bit. This time around we provided a little bit better presentation.”

The new designs displayed a comparison that showed the heights of nearby signs. Home Depot’s sign currently stands at 35 feet above the centerline, the Shops at Lake Havasu sign stands at 30 feet and Anderson Chrysler stands at 35 feet above.

Watts, who originally considered selling the property currently being constructed, said the businesses will continue with plans to build.

“The (McDonald’s and Chevron) location is in a deep hole,” Watts said in September. “We aren’t going to open our stores without signage or with a sign displaying our restaurant and the price for gas that is below the grade of the highway.”

Board member Chuck Fein, who held the sole dissenting vote in the original proposal, said the grade of the highway was always an issue for him.

“They have a hardship as far as being in the hole,” Fein said, adding that the other signs needed to be considered in the decision. “Given the state’s rulings, the grade of the highway is a hardship for them. They’re being deprived of the same thing that the other businesses on that highway have.”

Fein said he also heard several complaints from the community.

“We heard a lot of comments about the city trying to keep businesses out because of that decision,” Fein said. “We knew better than that and we knew this business had gone too far to not open up. But citizens had questions about the integrity of the city and those needed an answer. We weren’t trying to keep anyone out. It was just a misunderstanding on the board.”

Board Chairman Don Bergen said the presentation, which included information about the grade of State Route 95, made the biggest difference for him.

“Last time we heard it, it was not measured from the highway,” Bergen said. “The board, as I figure, could see this better when we talked about the height from the highway and it was easier to comprehend what the situation was.”

Bergen said that in all future cases, staff will consider the grade of the centerline of the highway.

You can contact the reporter at nbruttell@havasunews.com

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Comments (46 comment(s))

    TRUTH wrote on Nov 7, 2009 10:48 AM:

    " Triple J wrote on Nov 6, 2009 2:34 PM:

    " Good lord, apparently NOT EATING McJunk food affects brain development! Just look how it's taking a toll on some of the regulars(TRIPLE J)! Let this be a lesson to the rest of you! You don't want to end up like that one! Stay away! "

    FIXED IT FOR YOU TRIPLE J "

    O'really wrote on Nov 6, 2009 6:38 PM:

    " The businesses are catering to tourism and the blue hairs cant have that going on. They are trying to ruin this town. "

    Had it with Havasu wrote on Nov 6, 2009 6:11 PM:

    " I can't believe how many are still blathering on about this. The board caved. We'll never get the truth out of them as to why.

    Another thing I's like to know is how many of you own a business that operates in Lake Havasu City? I've been in business here for over 20 years. Lake Havasu City was originally designed with a variety of businesses in mind but the city over the last ten years has favored some and hindered others. It is that good 'ol boy club you hear about. Overall, toward the business people who actually keep the wheels turning this town is unbelievably hostile. So it goes with my screen name here I am just stitching up the last few pieces to sell a business which is not dependent upon the local economy, then I'm just a memory here.

    It is funny, this morning at breakfast someone said (after making millions here) the only thing they would build in this town at this point is an outhouse near the A/C unit at City Hall. "

    D BARLOW wrote on Nov 6, 2009 6:03 PM:

    " Yes there a few Vendors under the bridge and Crazyhorse, Windsor Beach, Still,, Their not gonna be there next year,,We are on it! "

    FORMER JUDGE wrote on Nov 6, 2009 4:11 PM:

    " KWB
    He has no clue what fairlane is talking about,,,FOOLIOEEE

    WHAT LAKE VENDORS ??? "

    question everything wrote on Nov 6, 2009 3:58 PM:

    " Why do so many folks on this board conveniently forget that the city did actually charge and issue business licenses to the folks operating on the lake. Also how come only the vendors on the Rotary side of the channel are being picked on, what about all the ones that are still operating on the bridge side? "

    kwb wrote on Nov 6, 2009 3:32 PM:

    " Ford Fairlane i don't have a clue what you are talking about.Every business you named pays for the right of way or for the use of the land they operate there businesses on.What is even harder to understand than your convoulted arguement is why has the city and blm let these people run these illegal businesses on public land free of charge for so long. The city and blm should have either closed them down as soon as they started or figured how many of these businesses were needed put out bids for concessions and regulated them. Never mind anyone who wants to set up on public land at no cost and no regulation can. "

    WATCHING HAVASU DIE wrote on Nov 6, 2009 3:19 PM:

    " McRib !! Health food for the mind! "

    Triple J wrote on Nov 6, 2009 2:34 PM:

    " Good lord, apparently McJunk food affects brain development! Just look how it's taking a toll on some of the regulars(TRUTH)! Let this be a lesson to the rest of you! You don't want to end up like that one! Stay away! "

    question everything wrote on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 AM:

    " Actually a Lg fat free sugar free vanilla iced coffee is only 60 calories and 2.50! They are my favorite! "

    TRUTH wrote on Nov 6, 2009 9:40 AM:

    " Triple J: you made an assumption also, you assume that I eat the junk. Did you ever stop and think maybe, just maybe I get the salads?! and anytime you want to meet at the island and see who can run more laps let me know, I am there daily. looks like the first three leters of "assume" fit YOU best.... "

    Triple J wrote on Nov 6, 2009 6:24 AM:

    " Truth, if you're pouring that garbage into your body, there is no way you're healthier than me and making that assumption shows me your intelligence level is way too low for me to waste anymore of my time on. Eating garbage in moderation can be healthy? Wow, you really are certifiable. Congrats. "

    FORD FAIRLANE wrote on Nov 5, 2009 11:42 PM:

    " What Lake Vendors ?? I went down there to rent a jet ski and couldnt find any ! "

    FORD FAIRLANE wrote on Nov 5, 2009 11:40 PM:

    " kwb if that were true then all the pest control, heat a/c repair, plumbers,cable tv, phone co, elect co, e-bayers, realtors, police, fall into that same catagory,,revenue on public property,,Its always been that way so you cant tweek your way of thinking to realize its the same, Dr Phil said it best when he said "wake up" "

    oldone wrote on Nov 5, 2009 11:16 PM:

    " BOY how do we go from signs, to venders on the shore? I can see the mickedees coments but that is getting booring already, can we stick to the subject or go on to the next subject. The planning commision will take up the sign subject and give Council something to work with as far as that streach of Highway. "

    TRUTH wrote on Nov 5, 2009 5:05 PM:

    " Triple J: why should I be the one to let it go, your the one that thinks your opinion is the most important in the community. and I can see my feet just fine and I am probably healthier than you as well...... if you eat in moderation regardless of where, you can be healthy and fit.and that is my opinion... "

    Triple J wrote on Nov 5, 2009 4:42 PM:

    " Truth, seriously....it's time to move on and let it go. Comment on the article, not me. Thanks. Kinda funny how this article has people talking about the lake vendors instead of the McJunk restaurant and one poster(TRUTH) can't stop complaining about why I feel we don't need anymore McJunks around here. Oh well....I'm just glad my feet are still visible and my arteries aren't clogged with grease and cholesterol. "

    kwb wrote on Nov 5, 2009 2:03 PM:

    " Hey cal/hav how about i come and set up a hotdog stand in your front yard and make it look like a 3rd world country. And believe it or not there are in certain cities in this country that you can buy the air rights over a building from the owner of that building to a certain height.As far as the businesses you name they all pay for the spaces they use truckers pay special fees for the right to transport goods on highways thru each state with licenses. The lake vendors pay nothing they are illegal squatters at this time they have no right to run a business on public lands.I understand this is hard for you to except but thats the way it is. The free ride is over. "

    TRUTH wrote on Nov 5, 2009 10:48 AM:

    " Triple J: maybe you need to move, I am not going anywhere. And $6.00 an hour sure beats nothing in this economy, but then again you probably are retired with a monthly check coming in so it doesn't affect you.... and this is my opinion, deal with it! "

    cal/hav wrote on Nov 5, 2009 6:57 AM:

    " MORONIC- The lake vendors are illegal squatters who have no rights to the land they are using what part of that don't you understand.
    Perhaps you need to educate yourself a little bit and look around. Or perhaps you consider Carnival,Norwegian,Royal Caribbean are squatting. United, Delta, Jet Blue are squatting the skys. Fed Ex,, UPS, and every trucker on the road. All make there business using the Resources we ALL pay for in the FREE Country. Capitalism and Competition and now you want MORE GOVERNMENT control? Every land based business ALSO HAD the option to open up on the lake did they not. But they probably make more on sales where they are and CHOOSE not to.
    This in not a private lake. Lake Havasu owns a little bit of shore line and that is it. Beyond that you mind your OWN BUSINESS "

    Triple J wrote on Nov 5, 2009 6:19 AM:

    " Truth, you really need to move and accept the fact that not everybody has the same opinion as you. Geez, calm down, take a breather and step away from the computer. At this point you're just attacking me and everything I say, no matter how I say it and it's getting old. My opinion is we don't them and I personally don't want McDonalds restaurants strung all over the city. I'm sure we can get by without it as we have for something like 35 years no?????? I'm sure there aren't alot of people who are going to be sad about not having a $6/hour job flipping burgers. This is my opinion. If you don't like it......good. "

    TRUTH wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:15 PM:

    " Triple J: yea close them both, put more people out of work and remove the tax from our city budget...real logical just because you don't like them... can't be more selfish than that. Nobody is forcing you to eat there so why not grow up and live and let live....I hear Yucca has no junk food places, maybe you should think about moving there if modern civilzation is so offensive to you.... "

    kwb wrote on Nov 4, 2009 9:14 PM:

    " The lake vendors are illegal squatters who have no rights to the land they are using what part of that don't you understand. Land based businesses either own or rent the land they have their businesses on which makes them legitimate as long as they are within the law which the illegal squatters are not.What to heck is the marine asso. everytime somebody disagrees with apersons point of view or points out a flaw in their arguement someone on these boards intimates a bribe or something get a life. "

    Triple J wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:16 PM:

    " I do not feel we need another McDonalds and I wish they would close both of them and go away. That is my opinion that I'm posting on this public forum. Anybody is free to disagree, but don't be mad when you can't change my mind. Thanks. "

    FORD FAIRLANE wrote on Nov 4, 2009 3:42 PM:

    " KWB,,,,Why on earth could someone sue the city for a lake vendor any more or less than a land based vendor ?? Fact is a land based vendor is based in the city as a lake vendor is in county,,And trust me those big land based vendors are running without insurance (the city dont check) They are just incorperated "nevada corp" so If someone does sue all they can get is the 1 unit involved in the incident,,,You know this cause you are one of them! Are you one of the guys that paid off the marine assn?<the new gestapo "

    kwb wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:51 AM:

    " To Tim the difference between McDonalds and the lake vendors is McDonnalds either owns or leases the land there business is built on[have paid permits fees ,lic.,ins.] and the vendors are illegal squatters who have done none of these things. At some point the city and blm hopefully will auction of concession permits,then we will see how many of these folks want to stay in business when they have to pay all the overhead legitimate businesses do. And who do you think is going to get sued if one of these illegal vendors injures or kills someone. The city of course because they did not protect the citizens from these illegal activities. "

    TRUTH wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:02 PM:

    " Triple j: I am rubber you are glue, everything bounces off me and sticks to you. I win infinity..... I figured I would lower the arguement to your IQ level. Talk about Bigot, you can't have it your way so you resort to name calling. Maybe you haven't noticed, but "I" am not the only one that feels "WE" need more business revenue in Havasu regardless of it being another fast food place or not. MORE jobs and more tax revenue. PERIOD! "

    Triple J wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:09 PM:

    " Truth maybe you should change your name to "BIGOT" instead? See, I can play your childish game, too. "I" do not feel "WE" as a city need another McJunk restaurant. That is my opinion. Deal with it. Thanks. "

    bobo wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 AM:

    " It’s about time we started using some pro-business common sense, or we might find ourselves being ruled by geniuses like Triple J who know what we need, when we need it, and where. "

    Nightfalls wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:35 AM:

    " I am glad they got the sign they wanted. The city needs to look at each application and then look at the site, and apply a little common sense. Oh that is the problem no common sense. "

    WATCHING HAVASU DIE wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:12 AM:

    " Actually the reason they let them do it is because City Councilman Don Callahan wants to get a variance on his(Dairy Queen) sign,,They have a new permiting process Called the "Checkbook Application Process" Streamlines the whole process "

    TRUTH wrote on Nov 1, 2009 10:37 PM:

    " Triple J: then why do you use the word WE instead of I? IF you had done so then this debate would have never been brought up.....and yes it is a public forum, that is why I am also allowed to voice my opinion........maybe you should change your screen name to Double S, as in double standard...I use Truth because Truth hurts when someone like you doesn't agree with me...lol "

    Triple J wrote on Nov 1, 2009 7:53 AM:

    " Last time I checked this was a public forum where people were entitled to their own opinions. Weird.... "

    Triple J wrote on Oct 31, 2009 10:52 PM:

    " Truth, nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. Geez, if I feel there are PLENTY of fast food restaurants in this tiny little city, than let me feel that way. I'm not "forcing" you to agree with me, but it seems you're "forcing" me to agree with you. This is a public forum where people are free to have opinions of their own so please stop "forcing" me to agree with YOU. Saying the nice folks that live out at Desert Hills, Crystal Beach and Havasu Heights need a McDonalds makes alot of sense. Who needs a closer school when we can plant another McDonalds closer to them? Say hello to your feet for me next time you see them. Thanks. "

    TRUTH wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:46 PM:

    " Triple J: have you ever thought about the residents of Desert Hills, Crystal Beach or even Havasu Heights might prefer something a little closer for them? and if you don't want to eat junk food then don't, but don't force your preferences on the rest of US..... "

    Triple J wrote on Oct 31, 2009 2:26 PM:

    " Truth, do you know how many junk food restaurants are in Havasu? You seriously think "we" need another one here?????? Seriously??????? Sorry, but I like being able to look at my feet without leaning over. No McJunk for me, thanks. You can feed this garbage to your family all you want, but "we" all know it's some of the most unhealthy, fattening food you can eat. If you think "we" need multiple McDonalds restaurants in a town that's about 10miles wide.....wow..... "

    tim wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:48 AM:

    " Like I have said before-It goes back to the same fight the vendors are trying to show all of you..If a payoff business wants something-it happens!!regardless of the effect on the city/residents.

    Yes we may have needed another mcdonalds because people are using it-just like we had vendors because people were using them----the difference -mcdonalds gets their way the residents(vendors) who have been here for years dont. You figure it out-

    Plus-toyota used a local company to install their sign-signcraft. Big lots has used two local companies for their needs-signcraft and endepents.
    Who is Mcdonalds using? Not anyone local. Make that part of your requirements. Think Staff Think-quite filling your own pockets and help our city.
    Like i said before-They need to go. "

    ivehadit wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:53 AM:

    " Rules are needed to provide a parameter of allowable guidelines. Just as doing 56 mph in a 55 zone, while it is a violation, there is absurdity if one is ticketed for it. There are generally allowable variances in everything we do, except dying. Get over it, be pleased at least there are new businesses opening up during bad times. Our community needs a shot in the arm and not be saddled with more tax rate increases, user fees or special tax districts. Cuts in specific areas are needed and positive marketing to draw more into this community, not drive them away. Too many here like to live in a utopia cocoon and shout commands to "Stay Away." "

    bill516 wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:26 AM:

    " It's a no-brainer given the location, I'm no rocket scientist but 15" above the highway seems like a good compromise. "

    TRUTH wrote on Oct 30, 2009 8:29 PM:

    " Triple J: when you say WE, YOU are not speaking for all of US! so please don't do so... I happen to enjoy the coffee and several items on the menu... and by size the line in the drive thru every time I paas by, it seems that others feel as I do....so I guess WE did need another one.... "

    resident wrote on Oct 30, 2009 1:53 PM:

    " localbusiness nails the real issue here. I do stop at walmart once in a blue moon but I consistently buy at Bashas and other local companies. "

    localbusiness wrote on Oct 30, 2009 11:11 AM:

    " It is funny how one business get preferential treatment over another - ie. litigation over the old walmart sign heights for the last three years! Then poof in one night a sign height is passed for another company! I wonder how much in tax rebate credits they received! Our business has never received any help from the city/county and we have managed to stay in business for 25 years. Lots of hard work and ingenuity! Also, a plus for our city, our customers' money stays here in the city. It baffles me that the big corporations get property tax and sales tax breaks for years and we, the little businesses have to compete against free! Plus your money doesn't even stay in town!
    We built this city and they get the breaks - so unfair! "

    lifer wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 AM:

    " This is a smart move. Rules are important, but blind adherence for the sake of blind adherence does one a disservice. The code is written in a "one size fits all" type of manner, and doesn't take in to account situations such as this.
    I actually heard someone complaining about views with this issue. Really? Who's view? A coyote? The airports? Come on. "

    cal/hav wrote on Oct 30, 2009 8:22 AM:

    " Well it goes back to the intent of the rule/law and the letter of the law. It is the reason there is a Board of Adjustment, (impartial) a variance process, conditional use permits and so on.
    Businesses are what support a City and it's infrastructure. Look what financial shape this City is in because of the loss of business. Trust me if another McDonalds was not needed. They of all people would not be building it. You see their execs have a little bit more on the ball than those that run this City. "

    Arliss wrote on Oct 30, 2009 7:56 AM:

    " A slippery slope, now EVERYONE is going to want a sign higher than code allows!

    I'm sick of this council ALWAYS putting Business over it's Residents!

    Vote them ALL out! "

    Triple J wrote on Oct 30, 2009 5:51 AM:

    " Ridiculous. Why do we even have rules? This article is either saying our city staff weren't competent enough to understand a simple measurement or our staff is easily swayed when threatened by a large corporation. We didn't need another junk food restaurant. "

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