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Mutant wrote on Feb 15, 2010 10:00 PM:

" although I hate to even influence people who vote, I just have to say sometimes a fresh start is the way to go. As in "go away" the present council that is on the block! for when no new nutrients are going to the brain, it dies; so let us get new nutrients/candidates/mandates?/no more sewergate?/touristed blocked gate?/hope for the city from new thoughts ! For we have a lake that has had a bridge that used to bring in touri$to$ and had an indu$try that started the city and WE THE PEOPLE have the brains to vote in and out the people who we $elect/infect/$ometimes reject/and tru$t with our town. "




o'really wrote on Feb 15, 2010 5:30 PM:

" NB are you talking about yourself in the the third person?

I think the point that denial was making is that if anyone should know the law it should be the Judge. There is no reason to believe that if we get a Judge who obeys the laws that the people who are wanting such person should continue. I forsee about as many complaints about the new judge as we hear about the BHC, Kingman or Parker Magistrate......
I am glad you are on board about getting rid of the anti-tourist council and not opposed to getting a new Magistrate. Welcome to the team. "




northbound wrote on Feb 15, 2010 5:01 PM:

" denial not a river: getoverit and I are both dispatchers I have been for 12 yrs she is on her 10th year. I'm not sure if I understand all of your post, we as dispatchers do not need to know the law as it is not our job to give legal advise we send police for law enforcement problems or fire department for fire/medical calls. I agree the entire city
council needs to go and as nb has stated befor if we get a new judge then we get a new judge. We don't see the whiners will stop crying but hey good luck. "




denial not a river wrote on Feb 15, 2010 2:36 PM:

" I agree with you getoverit that you, as a self-proclaimed dispatcher, do not have full understanding of the law. You do not need too. I would also like to make the point that NB spoke with authority and conviction about the point of trial. The public at large might, and I stress, might think that NB knew what she spoke about was fact. Thank you for clearing up that she does not.
Furthermore, I think it important to expand upon your point. A 911 dispatcher knows what she needs to in the big legal picture, just as an officer knows a little more but not all. Lawyers specialize in types of law they practice for the same reason.
I find strange that anyone could possibly think it’s a good idea to have the guy deciding the case not to have at least the same level of education and professional license as those presenting the complex legal issues before them.
We can see now why so many other towns in Arizona have changed their city code’s to require magistrates be attorneys.
The occupancy rates being lower than the state average are self evident that we have a problem that the council members refuse to confront because it would look badly on them. They are the ones who have made decisions that are at the least unwelcoming to visitors. They are the ones who reconfirmed this Magistrate after the state supreme courts commission on judicial conduct wrote an opinion that chastised his courtroom antics.
They are the ones who read this board everyday and ignored the warnings for three years what was happening with our tourism.
The council is directly to blame and none deserve to be re-elected. The new council should then remove the current Magistrate for cause so that he cannot get a cushy retirement from the taxpayers who will pay the price for his court room profiteering for years. "




Victoria wrote on Feb 15, 2010 9:23 AM:

" Oldone, if you were referring to my ticket I did not stop to let someone off of our boat at a police zone. It was at the Thompson Bay entrance to the channel where it is posted no mooring on Saturday & Sunday. I paid a $250.00 fine for that crime! I know a few others who got overnight mooring tickets for leaving their boats on the channel for a few hours while they went to dinner. How can it be considered overnight mooring unless your boat is their from evening until morning? How can it be mooring if your boat is not tied fast to a stationary object? How can the City Council and judicial system consider these types of citations legal? I am still confused as to how they can even get away with these ticket traps. Maybe it's because no one can afford to take the legal action necessary to put a stop to it. "




getoverit wrote on Feb 15, 2010 6:43 AM:

" cal/hav I also refer to a trial as a judge an jury. It's not wrong to refer to as nb is saying a court appearence. And for your information dispatchers don't need to know the law to a T as you claim you do. We don't sit in dispatch with a dictionary or ars code book to dictate the law to people who call in for stupid things, we refer them to an officer to deal with. "




o'really wrote on Feb 14, 2010 10:41 PM:

" You are right Oldone, usually folks all say they are not guilty....but then they just usually let it pass. Those that are truely not guilty just start posting all over the internet, get the local papers to write stories, do radio shows, boybott and just dont come back. So then things like occupancy rates drop lower than the rest of the state..........
I have posted pleanty of proof and I have sat in court many hours and seen it time after time. I wont repost the proof again because a quick internet search pulls it up. The rest of us have moved on beyond the settled facts and are not working getting rid of the problem by first electing people to fire the problem. "




oldone wrote on Feb 14, 2010 8:52 PM:

" Victoria I agree the term mooring is the wrong term for a boat sitting on shore with no lines to shore. That is a beached boat. How many boats ticketed for doing that is in question. The one ticket that was heard about the most I understand was because the boat was in the police area.When posted no boat should be in the area.I guess some one should have the Council tell staff to change the wording on the ordinance. "




cal/hav wrote on Feb 14, 2010 2:03 PM:

" Northbound. For supposedly being so knowledgeable about law enforcement you don't know much about the law.
In law, a trial is when parties to a dispute come together to present information (in the form of evidence) in a formal setting, usually a court, before a judge.
Parties would be The People / PD
The defendant - Person Cited
It is a trial by judge
Infraction court trials were designed to give people the opportunity to present to an impartial judge their defenses to infraction charges. "




oldone wrote on Feb 13, 2010 11:51 PM:

" OK so how do you know that thousands of dollars are made on the mooring code? do you check with the courts or the Citys finance Dept? Johnjay if people break the law and are found guilty, blood test breath test, radar stop etc. why should they not pay? Kingman courts don't do too bad racking in the dough. I have not seen any thing written as far as proof from you all, that people don't get a fair shake then in any other court. I will say it again I have sat in the back in court and have not observed any one who did not say they didn,t do it and when the test are read the BAC was over the limit,or when asked if they were speeding they said no and the officer had his report.Other then the infamous mooring ticket came up and I have been here 19 years you did not hear anyone complain Im not saying any one is perfect but all the defamming of one person because of one ticket without proof is a little hard to swallow. I'm open to proof and not hearsay from other forums because as a rule when you hear form folks they all say their not gulity, "




Victoria wrote on Feb 13, 2010 8:10 PM:

" Oldone, you are right in the sense that the council members participate in making laws and regulations for the city. Therefore, they are the ones who changed the Coast Guards meaning of mooring in a city ordinance which is an international boating term. The LHPD then goes out and write tickets to unsuspecting law abiding boaters for a $250.00 fine for a bogus violation. A boating term like mooring is pretty black and white right? Wrong, not in Havasu! Many of these boaters are from out of the area therefore cannot afford to come back and fight the ticket in court. I brought a letter from the head of the Coast Guard stating that the Council’s use of the word mooring was not consistent with the international maritime meaning. The council members completely ignored it and to this day the City ordinance still states that "mooring" is simply stopping in or near an area where signs are posted on shore stating "no mooring". Check the records and you will find that the City rakes in thousands of dollars a month for mooring tickets alone! They set the trap, the unsuspecting visitor gets ticketed; Clyde makes it as difficult as possible for them to defend their rights and guess what? You have some very unhappy visitors that will most likely not return! It's just not right... that little scheme alone is enough to make you stop and wonder just what else is going on. "




northbound wrote on Feb 13, 2010 4:24 PM:

" Thank you oldone, as a county employee I know my paycheck sure isn't all due to us tax payers. I kinda doubt if I was to get a speeding ticket in california and went there to court to fight it that it would be dropped. Several years ago in Phoenix I had a speeding ticket the judge took off 50.00 from the price since the officer didn't show up I still had to go to traffic school so my insurance didn't go up but I walked out of court with a smile on my face. "




northbound wrote on Feb 13, 2010 4:16 PM:

" O'reallyget off this "fair trial" kick you have. There is no such thing as a trial for a speeding tickets,disorderly conduct,ect they are called a court appearence ya go to court see the judge and tell him how sorry you were for being stupid. Trails are for much bigger crimes such as murder ect. Tax payers have enough to pay for other then trials for stupidity. "




wisconsin wrote on Feb 13, 2010 10:28 AM:

" Why is everyone concerned about having a law degree to hold the job? What someone on the bench needs is common sense. They dont teach that in law school. Either you have it or you dont. If you want him out of office, vote him out, get behind a candidate, get involved. I moved here from Wisconsin in October because I thought this would be a great place to live, and it can be. We just need leaders that apply some common sense to the job. At 43, and semi-retired i'm thinking about running. After running a successful bar for years in Wisconsin, without a deficit, I may be able to offer something. "




johnjay wrote on Feb 13, 2010 9:27 AM:

" oldone,

This is how it works. A person drives 300 miles to Havasu, there are not enough launch ramps so they wait in line for hours to get on the lake. Havasu Marina says no boats over a certain length or you're too loud , you can't launch so you try to find another ramp. You finally get on the lake and there is an entire row of police out there waiting in a line pulling everyone over asking to look through their belongings for a safety check, your fire extinguisher is too old, here is a ticket. Next someone is riding on the back of your pontoon with a rail around it, police say that's considered bow riding, they pull you over, here's a ticket. Another agency pulls you over because they say the numbers on your boat are too small, another violation, here's a ticket. You park in the channel to go to a restaurant and come back to find a $250 overnight parking citation on your boat and you didn't even park overnight, but here's your ticket. You finally pull your boat out and law enforcement hovers over you at the launch ramp, you feel as though they're waiting to pounce, finally no ticket. After all this stress the trip is finally over and you can get back to the comfort of your own home, tell me would you really want to drive 300 miles to put yourself through this? By the way all these events have actually happened to a whole lot of people. "




johnjay wrote on Feb 13, 2010 9:04 AM:

" "and what is wrong with a court making money that pays for their salary"

A whole lot, this is about the scariest statement I have heard in a long time. Once the court becomes a for profit institution for the state, you just created a situation where you guarantee corruption. Our judicial system is about justice and fairness, not creating salaries for court officials or funding police jobs. If you want to fund jobs for the government you do it through taxes not tickets. I can't believe this was even said, it doesn't get much more third world totalitarian than this statement. "




O'really wrote on Feb 13, 2010 12:14 AM:

" Well we will try this one more time for the old and mentally infirm amongst you.
First, why not respond to the occupancy article Oldone? I cannot wait to see you respond the facts now that they are out there and what many of us have been saying for years is not proven.
Secondly. Make it a requirment, like so many of our contempory Arizona towns have done, for the Magistrate to be an attorney. I know several attorney's want the job just as they did in Bullhead, Winslow, Tempe, Flagstaff ect ect.
Secondly, it is NOT, I repeat, NOT the guilty who go to Clydes court that I concerned about. It's the INNOCENT who can PROVE they are innocent but have that evidence disallowed by Clyde so he can once again find in favor of his pals with badges as he always seems to. Evidence not in the case cannot be included in an appeal, making it hard for people to come here for trial by making them show up for every minor hearing is also a speed trap town tactic this court uses to discourage people from seeking thier right to a fair trial....which they cannot get anyway based on Clydes reprimand from the state supreme court and Cannon 2b where him presiding over case that involves the LHCPD is in conflict.
The state supreme court did censure him, that is a punishment, but it is up to the council to have removed him for cause as is the city code. They failed to do so. So now its our turn to remove the council and get people onboard who will do so and return justice to the city court.
And I have never had any adverse police interaction. Period. I have spoken to people, former visitors, read the internet, the newspapers, and heard of the radio talk shows that have all said what I am telling you. We are in a hole, time to stop digging. "




oldone wrote on Feb 12, 2010 4:41 PM:

" Ok folks this is getting to sound like a broken record. The State and cities make laws, codes to control the population so what is a judge to do overlook the laws and codes or help inforce them? o'really, the State trains all the Magistrates and certifies them. They have not taken Clyeds away,so yes he was as you say censured but the State has done nothing to inforce. As for your wanting a person to follow the law and put the guilty away as you have stated that is what Clyde is doing. And as far as working the other side then we can exclude a person who has been a prosector as they would have been on the other side. Also why would a Lawyer want the job when they can make more money in there own practice? When Clyde took the job only two people applied and neither were Lawyers. How many people do you know (Honest now) have not comeback here because of our city codes and or State and local laws? or do they have not the money to come?and what is wrong with a court making money that pays for their salary and helps the State courts out.Also Court staff has the responsablity to send out notices etc. not the Judge. Look at the County Courts and the fines and jail time they give out and they are Judges? A LOT.You folks have a close minded hatedred I just wonder what he has personaly done to you. have you been before him to answer a ticket or what? I wait your responce. "




o'really wrote on Feb 12, 2010 2:39 PM:

" I have given you ample opportunity to prove what I am repeating about what the net, newspapers articles, and radio shows are saying about Havasu is untrue or even just common. I challanged you and Drat to post links to similar things about Bullhead or Parker and you didn't.
I have read the articles written by former visitors and others who have been unjustly arrested and not given a fair trial and even denied the opportunity to present evidence that proves thier case.
That is the issue here.
Yes guilty should be arrested and convicted (after a fair trial) but those who are innocent should be let go and all should be given a fair trial. According to the Judical cannons, any case that involves the LHCPD that Clyde presides over is a violation.
You cannot dispute that it not the cannon not only addresses personal relations ships but faternal and other close ties, such as departments a person was a supervisor of.
In BHC the JOP there does not preside over cases that involve the County Park Police because he was the head of the Parks Department. It would give the "appearence" of a conflict which is the standard.
You cannot also deny that perception, at the least, is hurting Havasu. The man should resign and we should change the city code to require a law degree to apply. "




northbound wrote on Feb 12, 2010 1:21 PM:

" calidowns sure would like to know what makes you think you know anything about me. I've worked dispatch for LHCPD 97-99 then from 99 to present another agency. I'm not saying we don't need improvements in this town. I'm saying those who come to town on holiday weekends and cause trouble deserve to be held accountable for what they do. we have a judge that makes sure they are. If we get another judge I'm not saying he/she won't do a good job I'll respect their decissions. I'm also stating that none of the officers left on patrol were under Clyde's supervision they have all retired or moved up to Sgt or Lt or detectives as I said I worked there from 97 to 99 with many of those now higher in rank. I do believe however o'really is making up stories of fake charges, tickets ect. Yes we need to bring more people to town for holiday weekends. I do not believe it's because of the court system we have they are all staying away. I think doing something with the ev would really help give people a better time here and more fun for them. The city has their heads in the sand with our tax money, Yes i't is time for a whole new city management team. "




O'really wrote on Feb 11, 2010 10:55 PM:

" To get back to the topic. Clyde needs to go. There is nothing wrong with wanting a person to be impartial who is hearing your case, there is nothing wrong with wanting the person hearing you case to not be a member of the opposing team.
What is wrong with getting rid of the person who is the poster child for why people will not return here?
Lets get a well qualified, strict judge who follows the law, puts the guilty away, who has a law degree and is not a second prosector in the court room. Lets get someone who has not been censured.
Lets get a council that will codify those standards by making it a requirement to have a law degree to apply for the position.
3 People running have told me that getting that done is one of the first things they will do. "




Calidowns wrote on Feb 11, 2010 6:59 PM:

" Ignorance IS BLISS. Reading nortbound and getoverit comments is just like "Dumb and Dumber". northbound is not a dispatcher or even worked as dispatch. "




DesertMouse wrote on Feb 11, 2010 4:21 PM:

" PS, running a race car full speed on a track using high octane racing fuel does not cost as much as filling boat to jet to a cove and sit all day.....Ya, ignorance is bliss. "




DesertMouse wrote on Feb 11, 2010 4:19 PM:

" Hey Ivote, I must admit that I may be wrong that NB is the same 911 operator who used to post ignorant statements then was gone for about a year before NB started posting.
I find it odd that two people would post almost the same way from the same department but maybe ignorance is a job requirement for that department?
Clydes job is the issue during this election. I have already been asked to sign to petitions. One I did when I asked the question and got the right answer and one I laughed in that persons face.
Clyde needs to go. Period. "




getoverit wrote on Feb 11, 2010 4:18 PM:

" so ivote would prefer to have lazy martin back who did nothing but turn down cases vs veerderman who is doing more then martin did. like nb said he's not perfect but does more, and for your information to race a beat up old ford pick up truck around parker 425 costs a lot less then a day on the lake with a large boat. "




ivote wrote on Feb 11, 2010 3:12 PM:

" That is funny. You were right Desertmouse. She doesn't own a boat or race and northbound has no idea about how much it would cost for either. She solified that with last comment. Vedrman worst County Attorney La Paz has ever seen, so she doesn't know much about that either to even make an accurate comment. "




northbound wrote on Feb 11, 2010 12:21 PM:

" don't know who you thin I am but I'm not a she and never used another name to post. yes I have attended the races and have friends who race it's much cheaper to race their car then to fill up the huge tanks on the boat and go out on the lake.
I'm not saying veederman is perfect but at least he is doing more then Martin ever did. but hey if you want to start a recall jump in there maybe you can do a better job. "




DesertMouse wrote on Feb 11, 2010 12:18 AM:

" it is not uncommon for north to speak about what she does not know, She did the same thing when she posted under her old screen name too. "




LakeLizard wrote on Feb 10, 2010 7:48 PM:

" that is only IF someone burns up inside of it...quit justifying your ridiculous pay benefit package...heck the great ol state of california will be defaulting because of them by August "




Calidowns wrote on Feb 10, 2010 6:44 PM:

" northbound, it is the Parker 425 not the 424. You obviously do not race a car or even own a boat or even attend the events. It cost just as much money in the long run to do either sport. Your comments are too way to even understand either sport. Furrthermore, on the comments on Pioneer bash the County Attorney Vederman and the way he runs his office which is clearly a double knee slapper in Parker. Not to mention is demeanor in court, I have been told. Vederman clearly should be RECALLED. "




O'really wrote on Feb 10, 2010 4:17 PM:

" Pleanty of specifics have been posted, You just refuse to acknowledge them. Not my problem, the man is an issue in this campaign because hundreds of websites (other than this site), newspapers articles, organized boycotts, and radio shows that say where the problem is a whole lot of smoke coming from a damand that he be fired. "




cal/hav wrote on Feb 10, 2010 4:03 PM:

" Hey Lakelizard. I suppose the life Insurance is worth more than the people that perish in that home that burns up. how ignorant can someone be. "




LakeLizard wrote on Feb 10, 2010 2:28 PM:

" Dont you guys realize O'really is just really lonely and wants attention yet? He will bash the PD, but yet claims the FD are the true heros, That's great and all, but like here in clark county...CUT THE FAT from the budget if my house burns down...AWESOME...its insured for much more than it's worth. "




denial not a river wrote on Feb 10, 2010 2:07 PM:

" Hey there northbound, I support my college sports teams even though not one member currently on the teams was in school when I went.
The way I read the cannon is that he cannot be in a situation where his ruling might be thought to have been colored by his association. How can he possibly think any case that involved the local PD would not be?
Old1 got one thing right, he works at the pleasure of the council and I would be pleased if the new council we to be displeased with him.
Lets get our tourist's back. "




JohnJay wrote on Feb 10, 2010 1:13 PM:

" northbound,

You have an 18 million dollar budget deficit in Lake Havasu City this year. This alone is going to absolutely decimate those working for the city. I don't think questioning past and current practices of various departments is "blowing things way out of line." If the city doesn't get the spending under control and figure out how to generate some legitimate revenue, I will guarantee more people are going to ask to revert back to having the Mohave Sheriff take over primary law enforcement duties for the area. Bottom line, giving out borderline tickets will do nothing more than destroy long term stability for short term gain. Also, the argument, since there are some bad people, therefore we must act as if all people are bad is basic flawed logic, I think everyone needs to go back and refresh their critical reasoning studies from their college days. "




getoverit wrote on Feb 10, 2010 1:10 PM:

" oldone he/she has been claiming this all along, but he won't prove it because he/she can't. "




northbound wrote on Feb 10, 2010 12:16 PM:

" OMG o'really this is getting so old. There are a few sgts and lt's left on the department that were under Clyde when he was a Captain, NO patrol officers still on the street that were under his supervision. The ones that were patrol officers have retired or moved into investigations or are sgts an lt's and don't go to court hardly at all. I know this because I worked there when Clyde was the Captain. I still keep in touch with sgts and lt's still there. You and your faithfull follwers are blowing things way out of line. LMAO "




C0MMON SENSE wrote on Feb 10, 2010 11:48 AM:

" Yea Mayor Whelon thought his job was safe ! And the voters overwhelmingly thru him out on his can ! "




oldone wrote on Feb 10, 2010 11:21 AM:

" Oreally as far as your cannon2&2B judges do it all the time as in Arizona all judges are Political after being appointed they face election. the magistrate is apointed and works at the whim of Council as you know. so because he was a Policeman you say he rulings are Tainted. prove it!!! by sample and I'll belive. "




oldone wrote on Feb 10, 2010 11:12 AM:

" If the election is based on people who only want to get rid of Clyed what good will they be after hes gone? Will they be able to understand the budget? work to get industry here? Know how to take care of the city(control staff the city manager etc .Go outside the town to get things done? The Mayor can't do it alone anymore If you all are about one man so called running off those folks who come here and turn our town into a cesspool with their drinking, nudity, every other word a cuss word etc. all in public and in front of children, then I say more power to him. So beware what you ask for because this town has grown up and will take people who know and can think beound 1subject. Also Council has evolved beyound a part time job, and the folks who want to be in the hot seat will have to be willing to WORK at it. "




johnjay wrote on Feb 10, 2010 9:19 AM:

" I think this vote is going to be a lot like the school override vote. The leaders are going to ignore the citizens and just assume they will go along with whatever they say, and the citizens are going hand their heads to them. "




o'really wrote on Feb 10, 2010 8:50 AM:

" ttracy. Not allowing in exculpatory evidence into the trial because it would clear someone of charges made by the LHCPD is illegal. That is not applying the law. In fact, if he did attempt to apply the law he would not hear a case where the LHCPD was involved because of the 2nd Judical cannon that says "Cannon 2: A Judge shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of judges activities. Cannon 2B- A judge shall not allow family, social, political or other relationships to influence judge´s judicial conduct or judgment. A judge shall not lend the prestige of judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge or others; nor shall a judge convey or permit others to convey the impression that they are in a special position to influence the judge. A judge shall not testify voluntarily as a character witness."
At the very least, he appears in conflict when he hears a case that involves those he supervised in the LHCPD. He is a lawsuit waiting to happen. He is personally immune on the bench from lawsuits but the city is not. "




DUSAN wrote on Feb 10, 2010 12:09 AM:

" P.S. Yes Clyde & Nelson need to go,,,They Both have affiliation with the police dept.. I had thought Nelson was already gone! Clyde used to be the deputy cheif and nelson is/was the dept chaplan,,,,OUT with the both of you "




DUSAN wrote on Feb 10, 2010 12:07 AM:

" Hey does anyone know how this turned out ? Quite a few years ago the sheriff dept jerked around that news guy Scott Pasmore from phx and I know he filed suit but that is the last I heard about it "




ttracy wrote on Feb 9, 2010 10:42 PM:

" At least Clyde tries to apply the law to cases. Nelson Merigold is a flippin joke. Retire the half dead guy already. I .do agree they need to have a law degree. And I can't believe i just agreed with O'really. LOL Yes we need new blood on the counsel, however be careful I see one name that pulled a packet that is a Harvey J./Sam S. spon. "




o'really wrote on Feb 9, 2010 1:40 PM:

" Tired, I know the MCSO sends out boats staffed with deputies on big weekends but they do not have droves of websites, news articles and such saying they gave out tickets that were not deserved. I have not read anywhere where the Sheriff has said he is motivated by profit but by safety.
The election this year is about getting rid of Clyde. That is THE issue. Do we keep a minimally qualified but censured person in office who is blamed by many former visitors as the reason they have not come back here but now go to Parker or Bullhead? Or do we not renew his contract and change the law to require future city appointed judges be a member of bar? "




tiredofbunk wrote on Feb 9, 2010 10:53 AM:

" Cal/Hav I guess you didn't read the Parker paper that said their reveunes were down considerably for numerous reasons. The races have been going on for almost 20 years and have been run by numerous groups. Yes the judge is an ex cop who brags about maximizing reveunues. But the Sherrif also sends out numerous boats with staff from kingman to patrol and harrass the visitors. The city only really has control over the channell and venture into Thompson bay outside of the city limits. "




northbound wrote on Feb 8, 2010 2:11 PM:

" ok cal/hav did ya ever stop to think of what different events Parker has then Havasu? How many races a year does Parker have? Just goes to show that Parker has what it takes to attract a different crowd a race tract for the Parker 424 and several other races. Funny how the boaters with their big expensive boats and big hauling trucks are pinching penny's since it costs more to run a boat then a motorcycle or race car. Of course the county along with Parker PD and Quartzsite PD have their officers out at the races in strong force so the crowds don't get to stupid.. Don't see any cop bashers on the Parker Pioneer either and La Paz has judges in all kinds of L.E.backgrounds. "




Former Resident wrote on Feb 8, 2010 10:47 AM:

" If you all wanted a new mayor or city counsil -you should do what you have all done in the past RE-RECALL them and vote them out of office. Every Mayor/counsil Havasu has had hes been as dirty as that so called lake of yours. The younger genereation will do a lot better - That is why we have President Obama in office. "




johnjay wrote on Feb 8, 2010 9:11 AM:

" I thinks it's time to make a change. When you're losing your job, your home, your business, your schools. Why would you keep the same leaders in place? It may not be completely their fault Havasu is failing but there certainly isn't any extraordinary measures being taken to help the citizens. This is a time to make hard decisions and it doesn't appear these leaders have the fortitude or the stomach to make those decisions. "




babalouie wrote on Feb 8, 2010 2:14 AM:

" This is the first time I've seen the filing deadlines published BEFORE they're past in this town. City council members usually just rubberstamp what the city staffers tell them to do, anyway. New residents appear to be unfazed by the inflated prices charged by all the local businesses, which will eat up your savings faster than you think. If it costs 2000 clams for a sewer hookup, hey, what do they care. Once you recover from that big ticket item, get set for the next "ante up" from the bright bulbs who gave us the sewer project whether we wanted it or not. Our current leaders appear to have little sense of how much money many Havasuvians don't have to waste in the midst of this economic slowdown. And if you find yourself short of scratch from month to month, don't expect to get a part time job here to make up the difference. That's a whole other kettle of fish they won't tell you about when you sign on the dotted line to buy that house. "




Bright0ne wrote on Feb 8, 2010 12:02 AM:

" Yes it appears that the only council member smart enough to be on council is smart enough to get out !,,,RE-ELECT nobody !!! "




cal/hav wrote on Feb 7, 2010 2:47 PM:

" Hey Northbound, RAT and other naysayers. Did you read the Parker Paper today. On the positive side, Wedemeyer said the town's hotel/motel bed tax was up from $33,480 to $37,949. Guess the bad economy isn't effecting Parker. Gee what could it be, what could it be? "




C0MMON SENSE wrote on Feb 6, 2010 10:50 PM:

" YES THEY ALL NEED TO GO AND GET SOME YOUNG BLOOD IN THERE "




northbound wrote on Feb 6, 2010 10:42 AM:

" haha oh thats right o'really I forgot sorry you know that since you spend so much time in the court room. And of course you would know if evidence is true or not. lol..........time will tell "




o'really wrote on Feb 5, 2010 5:40 PM:

" We have a magistrate that does not now, only the disorderly and stupid are wearing badges....

What the people are demanding is a judge who obeys the law, punishes the guilty, but does not see his courts first mission is to be profitable. Someone who is not censured by the state for being unfair and who has actually studied the law would be a nice change too.

If we could get a City Magistrate to sit on the city bench like the one we have in the JOP court would be nice---well qualified and but looks at the evidence instead of the who is making the accusation to determine guilt or innocence. "




northbound wrote on Feb 5, 2010 2:38 PM:

" Ok now maybe now we'll get a judge that will let the unruly get away with being disorderly and stupid pat them on the back and maybe buy them lunch. "




Had it with Havasu wrote on Feb 4, 2010 9:44 PM:

" Most of the discussion here appears to be constructive.

Great.

What needs to go is the club which paves the way to riches for its members at insurmountable cost to the community.

Something I read in this article has been bugging me since I read it. Nexsen and unfinished business with the sewer.

Why?

Because that unfinished business can be used to pave a road to a politician's smorgasbord. Funding and more funding and the yellow brick road. Motivation isn't Havasu's future, it's about the guy who chummed this deal and that deal and is looking for a comfortable place in the world of politics.

Rather simplistic but clear. Havasu needs to look out for Havasu and do it by maximizing the power of its inherent and traditional strengths.

Tourism. Vacation homes. Manufacturing.

Isn't that what McCulloch said almost fifty years ago?

But Nexsen says what we need is more debt.

Brilliant, don't ya think?

For a fraction of what we spent on the sewer system we could have built solar plants which fulfill the city's power requirements and provide power to sell. Would have been better for the environment as well.

We've got sunshine. That's what we need to exploit. "




tiredofbunk wrote on Feb 4, 2010 1:35 PM:

" All you have to do is see what margaret brought with her and her most famous quote "90% of accidents are caused by illegals" the police chief almost fell off his chair from that one. And as far the mayor goes, he sat by and watched the manager add millions in additonal costs to the sewer project and fire long term good employees. It took the manager proposing a sole source contract in violation of the city code and state law twice before the mayor woke up. "




tomgarven wrote on Feb 4, 2010 12:20 PM:

" DUSAN wrote [in part] on Feb 3 "Hey Tom Garvin, Who do you think needs to go? "

Tom G. responds. I am very happy that this issue is getting some postings since that will keep it in the public's eye at least a little longer. Thank you all for posting.

Voting to me is a very private thing. We even have voting booths so people can't look over our shoulders to see who we vote for LOL.

So - instead of WHO maybe we can talk about WHAT. For example, I would like to see someone who would promote a more balanced economy for our community. While tourism is certainly very important it should not be the only thing we focus on. If I look ahead 5 to 10 years here is what I see.

1. Gasoline at $5.00-$8.00 a gallon and fewer and fewer people will be able to come to Havasu to go boating or tow their boats from CA to AZ. Boat prices will be in the $50-$75,000 price range. Aluminum, fiberglass and resin prices will skyrocket.

2. Automobiles will be much smaller, more economical and many will be electric.

3. Housing prices will slowly recover and we will once again be building but not like we once did. It will be much slower and more selective. Homes loan interest rates could be over 10%.

4. Electric prices could double from our current rate of about 8 cents per kW to 14 cents according to our president who said "under my plan rates will necessarily skyrocket"

5. And there will be at least 50-100 solar power plants under construction in the desert Southwest within 200 miles of Havasu.

So what do any of the 5 items above have to do with the selection of an individual for a city council seat? Well lets only look at #1 here since space is limited.

Much of our tourist trade is based on cheap fuel and a good economy. Cheap fuel because it can easily cost over $200 just to tow your boat from CA to AZ. Also factor in $70-150 for a room, $250 for some boat gas and chilled beverage and you can easily spend $600.00 on a weekend. Two things concern me about this picture.

1. When the CA economy does well so does Havasu.

2. As more and more manufacturing jobs leave CA more and more people will be forced to work in the service industry. Service industry jobs that pay $10/hours instead of manufacturing jobs that pay $20/hour. I hate to say this, but the wealthy society that once supported our community is slowly disappearing.

So even if one of my above predictions comes true, then maybe we need to start thinking seriously about diversifying our local economy. I hope someday we get back to employing about 600-1000 of our citizens in manufacturing or at least building something. We once made chain saws in Havasu but that is not what I am suggesting we make again. Instead; If you read #5, it might be a good idea if we at least started thinking about WHAT and HOW we might be able to support the solar power industry. There is going to be a literal explosion of construction activity near Havasu and we need to get some of those $20/hour jobs for our citizens.

So the individual that gets my support will be in the age brackets defined by o'really and they should also be willing to support at least some actions that will lead to a more diversified economy for our community.

That's my opinion - what's yours?
tomgarven@hotmail.com "




Brightone wrote on Feb 4, 2010 8:29 AM:

" I elect Oreally, DesertRat, cal/hav and Leslie for city council. Lot of positive Chi coming from those folk! BEERS! "




o'really wrote on Feb 3, 2010 10:08 PM:

" Tom, the constitution set the minimum age to be a congressman at 25, to be a Senator at 30 and President at 35.

I think someone in the age bracket of 30-40 could do a fine job. They certainly could not do worse and they would represent a very important part of our city that has no representation now. "




DUSAN wrote on Feb 3, 2010 8:34 PM:

" Hey Tom Garvin
I like how you think (I think) Who do you think needs to go?? "




DUSAN wrote on Feb 3, 2010 8:32 PM:

" The report didnt list who's term's were up,,One thing for sure we need to lose 5 old people off the council,,The mayor is smart and hardworking He can stay, But the other 4 old Duffers and Margaret need to go,,Yup Don, Dean, Lee, Dave, say your goodbye's no more Grey White Blue hair on this city's council we need young blood here folks,,This town used to be Fun & Exciting,,And the first person that say's they will get rid of Clyde get's my VOTE "




tomgarven wrote on Feb 3, 2010 10:31 AM:

" Mr. Havasu wrote on Feb 2, "I thought I would see Tom Garvin's name here."
AND
tim wrote on Feb 3, "Vote in younger staff!!!
These old guys need to go!! "

To Mr. Havasu - thank you for the vote of confidence if that's what you meant, LOL

However, I have to agree with Tim - maybe it's time for us to give the younger generation a shot. I am only guessing here of course but the average age of a city employee might be someplace between 30 & 40 years old. If that is the case, then maybe we should be voting in at least a few individuals in this age category.

The big question in my mind is this: Can individuals in this age category truly represent the broad age diversity and various business types we have in Havasu? Will this 30 to 40 year old have the *wisdom* necessary? You can have a B.A. degree in political science and be a jerk. You can be a high school graduate and be wise beyond your years. Of course the opposite can also be true, LOL

So here is what I will be looking for in the individual who will get my vote. Does that individual share most of my vision for where I believe our city should be in 4-10 years from now? Do they have at least a basic understanding of the political process? Do they understand the limits of city government? Do they have the energy, guts and courage to make the hard decisions? Find me that person and then ask them to please step forward because we truly need their leadership.

Definition of "Wisdom*: "the trait of utilizing knowledge and experience with common sense and insight, and; the quality of being prudent and sensible.

That's my opinion - what's yours?
tomgarven@hotmail.com "




Desertrat wrote on Feb 3, 2010 9:49 AM:

" Yes, let's see who will step up to the plate and put their money and time where their mouth is - those who think they can do better- now is your chance. We shall see, we shall see..... "




desertmouse wrote on Feb 3, 2010 9:44 AM:

" Anyone who voted for Clydes contract renewal needs to be ousted and new people brought in to fire him....and do it in a way that he cannot get a pension from the taxpayers. No reason we should make his retirement "profitable" on our backs. "




havalicous wrote on Feb 3, 2010 8:18 AM:

" I dont think anything will be left "undone" I believe whom ever is elected-as long as it isnt who we have now-will take our city in the direction it needs to go! Lets see some younger people in office! They relate to our tourist much better than who we have now! "




tim wrote on Feb 3, 2010 2:17 AM:

" Vote in younger staff!!!
These old guys need to go!! "




cal/hav wrote on Feb 2, 2010 9:53 AM:

" Oreally, Let me know where to send my Campaign Contribution. "




higher life form wrote on Feb 2, 2010 9:35 AM:

" This one is easy. All incumbents OUT!!!
Time for some younger people!!!!!!!! "




Mr. Havasu wrote on Feb 2, 2010 8:42 AM:

" I thought I would see Tom Garvin's name here. "




northbound wrote on Feb 2, 2010 7:57 AM:

" O'really was the 1st in line "

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