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Response to lake vending urged

By NATHAN BRUTTELL
Today's News-Herald
Published Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:08 AM MST

Public concern for shoreline and lake vending may be waning, but the organization in charge of the permit process wants residents and vendors to know they can still voice their opinions.


In hopes of shedding light about vending and the permit process, the Bureau of Land Management hosted an open house and meeting Tuesday evening at the Lake Havasu City Parks and Recreation Department Aquatic Center. BLM officials said the turnout was light, but they are urging the public to respond to get a better idea of what direction is best for the city.

“We heard from people at the meeting but we do want to hear from the public as well,” BLM Lake Havasu Field Manager Ramone McCoy said. “It’s really important for us to get feedback from residents as to their opinions about this.”

McCoy said she wants to hear from all sides because “if we just hear from the vendors, it gives us a one-sided opinion” and if only the people against vending respond “that also gives us only one side and we want all sides.”

Attendees also discussed the Environmental Assessment outlining vending on Thompson Bay, which reviews areas that would be able to accommodate commercial vending on the water in support of the recreation experience and opportunities of the area, McCoy said.

“We explained that when we do a public comment period, we do that whenever we feel there might be controversy associated with permits,” she said. “A public meeting is not a requirement but we felt it was necessary with all publicity that was associated with vending on the lake.”

The BLM holds exclusive rights to the land below 450 feet. The City Council voted to deny access to two shoreline vendors for Rotary Park Beach in January after several citizens voiced concern during a regular meeting. BLM officials have said they will honor that decision and not issue any permits for shoreline vending on city-owned property. Other areas, such as Picadilly Point, are still an option, McCoy said.

“(Picadilly Point) is within the area under consideration under the environmental analysis for Thompson Bay,” McCoy said. “That is, in a sense, covered, although it is not named specifically in the assessment.”

The Environmental Assessment outlining vending on Thompson Bay is available to the public and the public review and comment period will extend until April 2, BLM officials previously stated. The document is not final and is currently a draft for public review, Assistant Field Manager Mike Henderson said.

“There is a lot of misconception about why it takes the BLM so long to complete this process,” Henderson said. “Typically, it’s a 180 day process and the environmental review process takes about 80 percent of that time. We need to review what is being proposed, what type of impact if any it will have to natural resources, socio-economics of the area, wildlife, air quality and water quality. The other 20 percent is the administering of the application and processing it.”

Once the public comment period concludes for the Thompson Bay Environmental Assessment, BLM officials will begin allowing or denying permits most likely within the week of the completion, Henderson said.

Lake Havasu City resident Barbara McIntire said she hopes vendors are allowed back in at least some capacity on the shores and in the water.

“I think they do need some kind of vendors down there and I think they should have at least one on each beach,” McIntire said. “Now that they’re not there, I’m supposed to have to take my boat out of the water, call up a place, drive to their place and then drive back down to the water just to have a good time on a (personal watercraft). That is so tough on people that want to do it and the vendors who are trying to do provide a business.”

Chad Whetten, of Whettrods Jet Ski rentals, said he’s hopeful the BLM will receive word that vendors are needed back on the beaches and in the water.

“I think it’s a great market that’s not being utilized,” Whetten, who attended Tuesday’s meeting, said. “I don’t know if it’s going to happen and I guess we’ll wait until (April 2) to find out. (BLM officials) acted like they wanted to do it and acted like their willing to work with us on it.”

Whetten said the Thompson Bay decision might be the last option for vending in the city.

“We’re trying to get in Thompson Bay because everything else is so limited that if it’s not in Thompson Bay, it doesn’t work,” he said.

Henderson said BLM officials would continue to consider other possible permits in areas such as private property lots or state-owned lands in the future.

“Once we get this portion done, BLM is going to be looking at more activity on the lake,” he said. “We will be looking at other operations but it all depends on the response we get from the public.”

While the public comment period ends on April 2, BLM officials said they could submit written comments on the Environmental Assessment to the BLM by April 9. Comments may also be faxed to 505-1208 or e-mailed to lake_havasu@blm.gov. Copies of the Environmental Assessment and information can be obtained online at http://www.blm.gov/az/st/en/fo/lake_havasu_field.html, by contacting Henderson at 505-1200, or by visiting the Lake Havasu Field Office at 2610 Sweetwater Ave.

You can contact the reporter at nbruttell@havasunews.com

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Comments (28 comment(s))

    oldone wrote on Mar 24, 2010 10:29 PM:

    " ! Amen "

    oldone wrote on Mar 24, 2010 10:28 PM:

    " Tim as far as my coment goes it was aimed at all folks who complain about the city, and blame the old folks for everything. We oldfolks have as much to loose as anybody as we have worked for companys many years for a pension that was promised and as many will attest those companys take away those pensions and those "old folks" have to go back to work, look around and you will see us at many different stores. Nothing is safe and forever. you will be in our shoes some day god willing, and will then know. As far as a gas station going out of business I doubt it was because of the vendors alone and if the PWC rentals, bought their gas there then it shows they were gasing the PWC in the water as I've seen with my own tired eyes. I wish no one hardship as we older folks have seen plenty. "

    Victoria wrote on Mar 24, 2010 1:23 PM:

    " gwilson - you are so right! I have been coming to the lake for over 20 years and loved the idea that you could buy goodies from vendors on the lake. It makes the lake experience fun and convenient. However, over the past 6 years or so too many vendors have hap hazardly set up business on the shores, most being jet ski rentals. They practically took over Rotary beach with their mooring lines, anchors and equipment. I loved Dave the hat guy that was usually on the south end of the channel. I would always take my guest to his shoreline "store" which only took up one boat space. He as well as a few others did contribute rather than take away from the enjoyment of the lake. We need such vendors as long as they are regulated and orderly. "

    ! wrote on Mar 24, 2010 12:23 PM:

    " Oldone isn't it funny how the old folk are being portrayed as some influential group. As I've said before, be it individuals or organizations(Marine Association) representing business owners, they were making the argument more than anyone. Us "old folk" are the least of the vendors problem. But vendors are not winning any sympathy with their talk, telling people to leave town. "

    tim wrote on Mar 24, 2010 12:29 AM:

    " to old one-They are dear friends of friends and you DID sound like you were attacking and i quote--

    "To you folks who complain about us old folks running the town. get off your duff and get involved.. But will that take away from your complaining."

    I took "you folks" as them and you would be angry and complaining if the city took your (AND ONLY YOUR) pension check---this is an important issue that has hurt alot of people and you are making it out like we shouldn't be angry?

    you should be angry too-
    Any issue that takes away money from our city should concern you too
    But of course your check keeps coming
    Righ after the vendors were kicked off the water-the texaco that everyone bought their gas at closed down. The people that the ice and grocery came from are now laid off- and lets not forget-
    the city had to pay all the vendors back their tax money(about $30,000) that they paid for the last 8 years--so what happened-they laid off city workers-if you cant see the damage you old selfish people are doing to this city you need glasses.

    They dont come on here very often because they get hurt by people saying things that arent true.
    I love telling the truth to peopl who dont know. "

    oldone wrote on Mar 23, 2010 11:59 PM:

    " Daytona572 1st I'm close to 80 and work, pay taxes, just like you do.I live here full time own a home here, buy everything here, eat out here, I am at the park with my Grand Children alot summer and winter 100deg weather and all, as they love it their. and yes I sit on the bench or am in the water with them. Again with personal attacts against someone you don't know. There are alot of older folks that use the park just as their younger counterparts do. and many grandparents raising their Grandchildren here.Again my coment was to the young people to get active in their own town.I know the vendors are mad but not all old folks complain. "

    Daytona572 wrote on Mar 23, 2010 8:05 PM:

    " oldone!!

    What in the world would the Lake.Channel interest you one bit? You people have too much time on your hands and then meddle in hard working peoples lives.You will NEVER sit on the Beach in 100 PLUS weather,PLEASE continue the shuffle board,dominos,and GOLF and let hard working People continue and PAY TAXES and give you SEWER PROJECT relief. "

    gwilson wrote on Mar 23, 2010 12:06 PM:

    " I think that the vendors should be allowed in a predetermined area, but with strict guidelines on dockage, buildings, lighting, etc. They should also pay a vendors fee on a monthly or yearly basis. The vendor area should be attractive and uniform , and appealing to both residents, and customers. "

    oldone wrote on Mar 22, 2010 11:26 PM:

    " Tim You are so off in left field I can, believe it I said nothing about the big oeange boat or it's owners. And as for educating oneself before attacking someone you need to. Read your post and tell me what crap I started> you made the statment tell me what! I have never read shuch anger as in your post. You have not helped the Orange boat owners one bit with your writings. "

    Daytona572 wrote on Mar 22, 2010 9:46 AM:

    " It will be interesting to see how the comments tally comes out,since the site has been closed down.I have a feeling this has already been decided and there may not even be a website to comment on. "

    bobo wrote on Mar 22, 2010 8:09 AM:

    " I have been emailing the BLM forever. No response. Their website for public comment is always down. This is what we should expect when we transfer power and ownership of our public wealth to the Federal Government in Washington D.C. But for some reason most of us think we will get something for FREE! "

    tim wrote on Mar 21, 2010 11:29 PM:

    " to oldone-GET INVOLVED! are you kidding me?
    Did you know-The people that own the big orange boat-
    Donate and volunteer more than anyone eles(personally) in this city!!
    Donate to all the childrens events and organizations(havasu for youths-928 minis) in town-they are lions, chamber members lhcma members-they attend rotary meetings.
    They have given several families -Christmas's, they have paid electric bills for one family that I know of.
    They park cars for city event-even thou they work a 10 hour day every day-
    Her car even has sayings on it about "Pay of Forward" and they obviously do--
    But YOU old people decided your view was more important than the tax money that the vendors bring in to this city.

    They werent even able to donate the money to redue the sign at the Aquaduct center -which they had talked about before the city, BLM adn the lhcma and YOU did this crap

    Enjoy your view-it will be even clearer when ALL the visitors stop coming---
    Even thou they have been there over 20 years-which isnt easy work.
    YOU should probably be educated before you speak!! OLDONE-should be alldone "

    oldone wrote on Mar 20, 2010 10:53 PM:

    " To you folks who complain about us old folks running the town. get off your duff and get involved.. But will that take away from your complaining. "

    what the F wrote on Mar 20, 2010 4:30 PM:

    " I come here every year
    Getting rid of the jet ski guys and the floating food/ice boats--
    BAD IDEA-

    That was part of the fun!!

    whats next??? "

    bob wrote on Mar 19, 2010 3:37 PM:

    " Ive been told that "The web page for the comments" is always "going down" -so i emailed this Mr.Ramone Mccoy and he said "oh sorry Ill fix it"-
    Funny how something SOOOO important isnt being maintained--maybe out of convienence-then they will have the nerve to say-You dont have enough support to grant permits- "

    ! wrote on Mar 19, 2010 11:23 AM:

    " Keep trying to blame the older crowd...wrong...there were fellow business people who were trying to shut down the vendors...I go to council meeting and saw the land based business owners complaining...maybe one or two individuals who happen to be older... "

    ford fairlane wrote on Mar 19, 2010 12:57 AM:

    " Some new information has come to light seems the BLM dosent control the land under the lake,,Arizona state sovereign land is that part of the bed of the river/lake from its centerline to the ordinary high water mark (OHWM) on the Arizona shore.,,, TOO BAD Mike & Ramon you go bye bye now,,SEE YA,,,,,, "

    Daytona572 wrote on Mar 18, 2010 7:54 PM:

    " Ikelvr,thank-you!! The Old People have the time to continue to bash things and sit at Council Meetings to do nothing but complain about things YOUNG people enjoy and wish to do. I`m sad to say this is already a "DONE DEAL" just watch,it has been decided and they are making this Look as a legitimate fair Process.It`s over. But now for Desert Storm by Rotary there is going to be a Beer Garden and numerous Vendors,but I guess now the City has Control and making money this is different.It will be interesting if the Blue Hairs complain about their Beach then. "

    desertmouse wrote on Mar 18, 2010 6:08 PM:

    " fire the council, do not reelect any incumbant. One has already stated that he will drop if those who pulled papers qualify. Newflash, at least two have well over the minimum already and will not submit them until the last minute with the maximum. "

    lkelvr wrote on Mar 18, 2010 12:21 PM:

    " Tim-thank you! I couldn't of said it better myself. I'm tired of the older people and the city council complaining about what goes on at the lake when they won't/can't even venture down there. For god's sake, if you don't like it, then please do us a favor and move or deal with it! We want the vendors on the lake, and in turn, all the spring/summer visitors and boaters who bring money to our town. I, for my part, love the spring breakers...yeah, they can be a bit crazy at times, but why let it bother you? It's true, I don't love seeing naked or drunk people making fools of themselves, but it certainly doesn't affect my quality of life in this town. Frankly, with the economy the way it is, and the fact that Havasu is fast becoming known as a place to come get arrested on big weekends or holidays, we're lucky we still have people wanting to come here and spend their hard earned money. Old people's pensions do keep coming no matter what happens to this city, but those of us who still have to work to make money want the lake vendors so yes, I will be submitting my form to BLM and will ask everyone I know to do the same. "

    bob wrote on Mar 17, 2010 6:09 PM:

    " Ramone Mccoy admitted she hasnt even been down to the lake-she doenst know what pastease are-
    Her and Mike Henderson judging morrality-some one needs to do a morality test on them and sexual preferences...Im just saying
    Dont throw rocks "

    dusan wrote on Mar 17, 2010 1:30 PM:

    " I cant believe any of the people working at the BLM still have a job after this fiasco,, "

    oldone wrote on Mar 14, 2010 11:07 PM:

    " Tim ... Sadley, times have changed. When BLM was not involved one could sell anything legel, but now with them permitting vendors on the lake the image thing comes into play, So pasties etc are a no no and you will have less sales but hopfully will be on the water selling, be it out of Thompson bay,if the shore line Business get their way. "

    tim wrote on Mar 14, 2010 3:51 PM:

    " This issue is not about vending alone-its about power-of the old people.

    first- the vendors- then the increase launch fees/bed tax- then the ban of the sale of pastease- no advertising on the water
    and now the noise of the bars.

    They do not want visitors-it very obvious!
    Their pension checks dont change regardless of what or city needs. They just want to win.
    If we dont stick together and stop the city council and the snowbirds we might as well fill in the lake.

    Dont let HAVASU die of old age!

    Please fill the form out from the BLM tell them you need/want the floating vendors-and tell them if you want pastease or not. "

    desertmouse wrote on Mar 13, 2010 2:26 PM:

    " A response? There was NOTHING wrong with the way it was until the city and state started shutting down businesses. What a bunch dunderheads, they CREATED the problem then want input on how to solve it. "

    321 wrote on Mar 12, 2010 7:42 AM:

    " The Rotary shoreline is not available. The city already said no to all city beaches in Thompson Bay. This is more about the vendors out in the bay floating. And from what it looks like we are only talking about one boat that wants to sale burgers and has been for numerous years "

    resident wrote on Mar 11, 2010 8:13 PM:

    " email your comment to the blm...please do not support allowing vendors to conduct business on the Rotary Beach shoreline. Vendors are not safe for the public, not conducive to tourism efforts and are frankly, unnecessary. "

    Daytona572 wrote on Mar 11, 2010 10:30 AM:

    " We want Vendors,when we run out of Ice,water and soda it is great to be able to stop get what we want and move on instead of having to go back to shore wasting time and fuel.These people are providing a service that is needed and wanted "

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