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Residents complain bar still too noisy

By NATHAN BRUTTELL
Today's News-Herald
Published Tuesday, March 9, 2010 11:19 PM MST

“Eventually, something’s gotta give.”


Mayor Mark Nexsen’s comment Tuesday night seemed to echo a growing feeling about the city’s current noise ordinance.

“We need to find a happy medium,” Nexsen said. “I understand the people that live in their apartments that need to sleep … and I think businesses need to be able to operate as well.”

During its regular council meeting Tuesday night in city council chambers in the police facility, the City Council opted to give BJ’s Tavern, 2122 McCulloch Blvd, more time to reduce noise levels coming from the establishment. BJ’s Manager Artie Collins said he would work this week to reduce the bass levels.

“I’m going to call up an electronics firm out of Los Angeles this week and I will call them and see if there is a machine that we can use to almost completely take the bass out,” he said. “We will buy it, we will put it in and we will find a way this week to turn the bass down lower, as low as it can go. We will turn the bass down as low as it can go.”

The City Council enacted the current noise ordinance on April 24, 2009. According to City Code Chapter 9.30: Noise, “unnecessary, excessive and offensive noises from all sources” are prohibited in the city. The ordinance also measures noise levels in decibels from the “affected property” not the source of the noise.

The tavaern has never been cited for breaking the current noise ordinance.

Several residents in the Uptown District near BJ’s Tavern spoke about loud noise and bass coming into their homes.

“We pray for rain,” Paul Nigrey said Tuesday night. “When it rains, the noise doesn’t carry as far and it’s the only time we can get a decent night’s sleep.”

BJ’s Tavern staff member George Smith responded, stating that the noise ordinance is something that has been looked into and the bar is “well within legal limits.”

“We have had these researched studies, we have looked at other cities and I do believe that is where we came up with the noise ordinance that is in effect,” Smith said. “We have turned down the music when someone calls. … This is complaining about something that has been looked at before.”

Uptown District resident Don Casler said he was thankful for the work on the current ordinance but added the policy is not being followed.

“A year has passed and the time has come to make adjustments that mirror the policy,” he said. “This type of voluntary resolve has not worked.”

Casler said he hoped the council would adjust the ordinance with the residents’ health in mind.

“It is true that you cannot please everyone,” he told the council. “We can only trust your priority will be the health and safety of the citizens.”

You can contact the reporter at nbruttell@havasunews.com

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Comments (45 comment(s))

    northbound wrote on Mar 30, 2010 10:11 AM:

    " I live behind 2 yapping dogs, animal control wants letters from neighbors. They are too busy to come by and sit up the street and just listen to what I have to hear less then 25 ft from my yard when the owners are not home to quiet them. Sigh noise noise noise there is always going to be noise. "

    Daytona572 wrote on Mar 22, 2010 8:27 PM:

    " I spent Fri,Sat,Sun. afternoons in the Channel on London Bridge Beach,Sat was just packed with people and there was NO ONE on the beach area the Vendors were.I`m confused?,I thought they were taking up eberyones prescious beach? The ones who were complaining the loudest about No Access to the Beach=Get Down and Sit There.I laugh it isn`t even warm yet,where you going to be when 115? I know. You could not wait to hurt innocent hard working people. Remember KARMA "

    LosTacos wrote on Mar 22, 2010 6:14 AM:

    " And going to council meetings solves? That's like going to the court house for fun every day like realyO. And that solves? Two words...Ear Plugs.... Ol Duffs....eh? "

    watching havasu die wrote on Mar 20, 2010 12:57 AM:

    " Oh you Old Duffer's are just trying to blame BJ's for your bad real estate investment,,I live right behind the new's paper and get woke up at 4;30-5;00 am EVERY MORNING as they unload the big truck and load into the delivery car's/truck's,,Also I get woke up on tue & thursday 6;30-7;00 AM by the trash truck emptying dumpsters, But I have never blamed either of them for my decision to build there its my fault, I also hear the Harley's start up and roar away from the Office (Bar) at 2;00 am (closing time) I dont like it but I live with it, I know I can move to Yucca if I want quiet, But I still would rather not ! So Dr and Mr's Nobody (thats how he introduced himself "DR" like he expected special privlege) Just zip it ! CALL A REALTOR is right ! "

    ford fairlane wrote on Mar 19, 2010 9:26 PM:

    " Don't these OLD PEOPLE know that they are on the "any day" plan And they should spend their "GOLDEN TIME" Trying to have fun themselves instead of trying to regulate others fun,,This is pure jealousy just like the people that hate snowmobile's and waverunner'S,,They see other's having a blast and they just can't stand it because their life is so miserable,,Like Dusan said DON'T CALL THE POLICE ...CALL A REALTOR "

    bob wrote on Mar 19, 2010 12:21 AM:

    " to anyone "!"who wants to make false statments about what i have said,done or will do-I have always invited anyone and everyone to come to 1617 industrial-m-f 8-4-and i will not only tell you the truth but i will show you--
    unlike our BLM, Council, LHCMA of the cowardest old people who are ruining our city. I have documents and recordings of lies told by all of them.

    I stand behind everything i have said--i show my REAL name and email--

    I would love to run for city council-i have picked up a packet. My tme is very stretched but i was hoping someone would run to put a stop to this crazy talk.

    I am willing to have an open forum-anytime-unlike the blms were they talked but didnt want to make open statements.

    Their web page to submit the forms-is always jacked up -i call them and they say "oh sorry try it now-i fixed it" UNFAIR!! "

    oldone wrote on Mar 18, 2010 8:49 PM:

    " ! well said I also go to Council Meetings and have foe years. Sometime people get what they ask for. So who is running for Council? "

    tim wrote on Mar 18, 2010 7:06 PM:

    " To "!" The woman from the big orange boat has done nothing but gotten involved to help the vendors-
    I was at the vendor meeting & she did NOT say she went to the city to complain-
    she said the vendors all went to the city-she was verifying that they have been trying to help with the problem before it got out of hand-
    Ask around(cause im sure you wouldnt know) she never went to a vendor meeting before all this started.

    If youve been to the meetings-then you must be one of the jet ski venders-if so youre in trouble too-so you should probably worry about "YOUR OWN" "

    bob wrote on Mar 18, 2010 6:22 PM:

    " to "!" I you are very much mistaken about me going to the city and telling on anyone-ever-for anything!!

    I show who i am and show my email address-and you can bet that when i say something its the truth-so why not show your real identity in stead of "!" thenI would know if you were at the meetings-

    And anything that happens in this city is taking care of my "OWN" what business is it of yours-again stop hiding-i dont! "

    ! wrote on Mar 18, 2010 3:53 PM:

    " If I remember correctly it was the female owner of the Orange Boat who claimed she went to the city because the vendor issue (to many) was getting out of hand but she never thought the Orange boat would be brought into it since it wasn't beached...maybe Bob you should be quiet and just take care of your own...some of us do go to council meetings... "

    bob wrote on Mar 17, 2010 6:05 PM:

    " great job everyone-
    to denial on the river-thats the way to think!!!-now lets go to the council meeting and start the fight against golf carts-that a great one-
    and instead of banning the sale of pastease on the water we will ban the sale of adult diapers-that should get them going!!!! Ill be there if you will-email me and let me know-havasufood@yahoo.com "

    bob wrote on Mar 17, 2010 6:01 PM:

    " Like I suggested in the begining-IF WE DONT ALL STAND TOGETHER-they will get away with the bad changes-
    It started with the vendors-NO one cared!!

    Well Its the same issue-POWER and getting their way- the vendors and chasing away good bars-raising the price of launch fees and not allowing welcome banners!!! banning the sale of pastease-

    Its a damn shame-but everyone of you sit at the computer -do you come to the meetings or send comments to the blm and city council? I havent seen any of you except the old guys from the marine asso. that are on their side-thats why these things pass....

    Its a damn shame-if you had a unfair issue and came to me -i would be there...I bet none of you even vote for mayor or city council-

    Go and vote this time-make a difference before its too late.
    I dont want to run but I will to help our side-I cant do it alone-they have unity! "

    tim wrote on Mar 17, 2010 5:51 PM:

    " Next month the old people will be gone and we wont hear all the crying-why dont they leave before spring break-if they hate them so bad-oh yeah then they wont have anythin to witch about!

    To dusan-finally-someone who sounds intelligent
    To "!" 5 years is along time in havasu age-we didnt hear this last year so when did you move into your condo?

    Well the city ran out the vendors-which brought in alot of money and now the owner of bjs is going to kingman--

    With the BLMs ban on the sale of pastease -we are doomed!! Just fill in the lake-Dot let havasu die of old age!!!get rid of them now! "

    denial not a river wrote on Mar 17, 2010 3:55 PM:

    " I think we should outlaw golf carts. They are a menace to the city, hard to see and cause many accidents directly or indirectly. "

    dusan wrote on Mar 17, 2010 1:51 PM:

    " "OLD PEOPLE" The generation before the current "OLD PEOPLE" didn't snivel about all this STUPID stuff because the lived in fox holes in the war, And lived off bread and water in the depression and dust bowl years, They truly knew what hardship was ! The current "OLD PEOPLE" are almost worse than the teenagers with the "ME" Sence of entitlement,,If the music is too loud dont bother the police "CALL A REALTOR" Anyone that would bother the POLICE over something as STUPID as noise,Deserves to be the Victim of Real Crime when the police are busy taking a noise complaint !! "

    Wiseguy77 wrote on Mar 17, 2010 1:11 PM:

    " I am at a loss....this is my first post here....and im not sure how to respond...for starters i know quite a bit about live music and music reproduced by a disc jockey....as far as the sound system at bjs...it is very old and antiquated.....there are no sub woofers....or anything to reproduce that low end bass that a crowd enjoys....i my self have been there and it is not nearly as loud as what ppl are claiming....dont know what to suggest...maybe we should all pack up and let the older generation turn havasu into palm springs....not sure if they would survive..but im not concerned...mainly because they have no concern for us...thank you. W. "

    ! wrote on Mar 17, 2010 10:37 AM:

    " desertmouse wrote
    " another example of the city trying to close off jobs and run out businesses.

    Quite the contrary. The city made sure to include the businesses in the wording of noise ordinance. Artie was asked if decibel levels and the hours of enforcement were good, by councilman Wedemeyer. The old ordinance had no level attached to it and an officer would make the determination to what was unreasonable, that worked in favor of the residents. I would like to changed the hours it can be 70 db back two hours from midnight to 10pm at which time it would be lowered to 60db. Two hours of lower db would not effect the bar's business... "

    LHCwasteland wrote on Mar 17, 2010 8:31 AM:

    " To Desertmouse- I don't know what your reading but the topic is about simple volume control, an easy fix. I don't see anybody wanting to close the bar down. The owner Jim is a very nice man as well as the people that work there. For a start they should replace the plastic around there fencing with plexiglass. Sure it's not cheap but it works. It works for drums in casinos. Hey , it's a start if your really wanting to work on the problem. "

    desertmouse wrote on Mar 16, 2010 4:53 PM:

    " another example of the city trying to close off jobs and run out businesses. "

    ! wrote on Mar 16, 2010 11:15 AM:

    " Tim and others, who claim BJ's have been there a long time. The property owners and I'll assume proprietors of BJ's have owned the place since 2005. Not that long...
    legacy.co.mohave.az.us/depts/assessor/prop_info.asp?PARCEL=108-12-098&YEAR_CODE=CY
    Can't wait till property owners build those 3-4 story buildings on McCulloch, they'll act as good sound breaks. Wonder what those folk who will buy those supposed upscale condos will think of their neighbors...I see some future condo associations pressuring the city more... "

    LHCwasteland wrote on Mar 16, 2010 10:26 AM:

    " The noise has nothing to do with smokers. Are you kidding me? There was live music out side before the law came into effect and smokers had to go outside out side. There was hardly young people. It was ages mainly between thirties and mid sixties enjoying live classic rock Friday through Sunday, then young people started coming in and moved the old cowboys out. No problem with noise. People living close buy enjoyed the sounds coming from BJ's. I loved sitting out listening to the sound of fun. There was a female manager by the name of Terri that decided to bring in DJ's. That started the noise problem. You had DJ's with no musical experience nor the idea of what volume they should be at. DJ's and bands were done away with but the loud sound remained. It's all about volume control and young kids liking it loud. When Arti took over it got louder. No bands or DJ's to blame and that's a fact. "

    LosTacos wrote on Mar 15, 2010 8:10 PM:

    " That's all I hear from Coco's , Chompy's BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM...And the beat gooooeees oooon BOOM BOOM BOOM now it just lulls me to sleep at night BOOM BOOM BOOM! "

    blackcat wrote on Mar 15, 2010 3:40 PM:

    " When will people realize that more (quantity) smaller speakers is better than less bigger speakers? That is not a hard place to fill with sound, even when it's packed.

    Obviously by the BJ owner's comments he doesn't have much experience in this matter. Slope off the bass at about 60-80hz or so and you're going to remove the rumble. And he doesn't need to call anyone in L.A. to know that what he needs to buy is offered locally. "

    tim wrote on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM:

    " You dont move next to a airport and the complain its too noisy!
    BJ's has been ther a long time-

    Just because you got away with getting rid of the vendors doent mean your gonna get away with ruining the whoole city and its fun--
    MOVE!!! "

    doglover wrote on Mar 14, 2010 2:18 AM:

    " Were there any noise complaints before the law moved smokers outside? When everyone had to add outdoor patios to accommodate smokers, which are usually plentiful at bars, they also moved the noise outdoors. This just appears to be a side effect of banning smokers from bars.

    As far as Kokomo's goes, you can hear their music at the Island Inn, the Nautical, and some nights clear out at Site Six, and that's from Spring Break to the Jet Ski races. "

    oldone wrote on Mar 11, 2010 10:59 PM:

    " Wisconsion How much tax you pay does not make you any better then any one else. Also the Condos were there long before BJs, also why is it that none of the other Bars in the neighborhood are complained about? People have a right to enjoy their home whereever it is. I feel sorry for the coustomes of BJs as if the music is loud enough to be heard several blocks away !/4 mile at a friends house, then not only are they killing their Liver but their ear drums.If you think people are morons for wanting to have quiet in their homes and complain about it to you then you were not the best of a neighbor "

    tomgarven wrote on Mar 11, 2010 6:39 PM:

    " I sure wished everyone used their real e-mail address on this form.

    I just got the nicest e-mail from Wisconsin and we have started sharing ideas to help our community.

    He just happens to be quite an expert in the management and operation of bars.

    Positive things can really happen when people start talking. Thank you Wisconsin

    tomgarven@hotmail.com "

    LHCwasteland wrote on Mar 11, 2010 5:22 PM:

    " wisconsin-That's really a great comparison . Maybe you should hire an attorney for some obvious advice. After all, you are from Wisconsin. I feel for you. "

    LHCwasteland wrote on Mar 11, 2010 5:14 PM:

    " wisconsin- you for one should know, the harder you push the music and bass,the nastier the girls dance. There for the boys buy more drinks for the girls in hopes of getting lucky, and the girls do it for free drinks. I too worked clubs long before you. It's all about pushing drinking or you wouldn't last as a manager. That's why they do so well. Play it hard push it hard. "

    northbound wrote on Mar 11, 2010 4:51 PM:

    " Very well said Tom, your right most of those homes have been there far befor BJ's came into business. Bottom line doesn't matter where you live if your peace is being disturbed the matter needs to be fixed. "

    tntareinlove2000 wrote on Mar 11, 2010 3:43 PM:

    " Residents that live close to Bj Should not have wear ear plugs. When going to sleep at night. Other words it is the staff at Bj that should be blames for this one. There is such a thing called " Noise Ordinance" . And they should respect that! The problem here lies in the money that the management gets. Do you think in the wildest dreams that they care about the noise level? I think not. "

    Wisconsin wrote on Mar 11, 2010 11:31 AM:

    " I heard a bunch of coyotes the other night, they were so loud that they got all the dogs in the neighborhood barking. I wasn't sure if I should call the police about the coyotes, or about the neighbors dogs. This is a tough one, can we get an attorney's opinion? "

    tomgarven wrote on Mar 11, 2010 11:20 AM:

    " Wisconsin wrote [in part] "So Mr. Garven, has the owner of BJ's shown you his P+L statement? ... You seem to know that he is making a lot of money.

    Tom G. responds. I guess Wisconsin is referring to my comment. "At the present time BJ's is making a good profit.".

    I get the sarcastic dig Wisconsin about the P&L statement. But to answer your question, no haven't seen the P&L and in fact I don't want to - it's none of my business. But yes Wisconsin you can be assured that I do know what a P&L statement is and how to read one. So I guess your statement was meant to be sarcastic wasn't it.

    I don't like being sarcastic Wisconsin because it rarely if ever accomplishes anything. Instead of me being sarcastic in return, lets see if I we can't get something positive or something of value out of this exchange of words.

    What we need is an individual just like you with years and years of management experience operating bars to go to BJ's on a Saturday night While at the bar could you please take note of things that could be done to reduce the noise levels for the neighbors? Based on your bar operating experience your feedback to us on this form would be invaluable. Who knows, you might just find the perfect solution. That would sure be a feather in your hat - far better than my wall idea.

    Maybe working together we can find some inexpensive solutions so the individual who bought their home near there years ago can get a good nights sleep. Maybe we can find ways of working together to keep a thriving business IN business.

    Wisconsin will you PLEASE use your bar management experience to help us solve this problem?

    tomgarven@hotmail.com

    and yes this is my real e-mail address. "

    azmama65 wrote on Mar 11, 2010 8:24 AM:

    " I don't feel all that sorry for the complainers. They chose to live so close to the establishment. Time to soundproof the house.lol "

    dubld wrote on Mar 11, 2010 4:52 AM:

    " I live right off McCullogh & hear vehicle car stereos all the time...
    Should I go out with a audio & video recorder to collect info on drivers, then take it to counsel? Maybe get the road closed down because it brings too much noise? "

    Lostacos wrote on Mar 10, 2010 10:10 PM:

    " Crank Up The Volume! Dance Dance! Musics too loud! Elvis shook his hips! Punks have mohawks! and yes kids under 25 have premarital sex and drink under 21...Been doin it since when? pre civil war? No! since the dawn of australopithecus...eh? These are the young people spending $$ and mom and dads $$ which is good. "

    Wisconsin wrote on Mar 10, 2010 9:44 PM:

    " So Mr. Garvin, has the owner of BJ's shown you his P+L statement? In case you don't run a business, that is called a profit and loss. You seem to know that he is making a lot of money. I ran 2 bars for years, and it amazed me how many people thought I was rich, while my wife wondered how we could pay our bills. I dealt with noise complaints from morons who thought it was a good idea to buy or rent a house right behind a live music venue, and then call the cops when they couldn't sleep with their windows open in June. Give me a break, the business pays more in taxes in a month, than that house generates in a year. This town will go to hell in a handbasket if the "leaders" don't figure that out. Let's take care of the tourists, and the places that they like to have fun (BJ's being one), and this city will prosper once again. If you were dumb enough to buy or rent close to there and don't like bass, close your windows, and turn on a fan. "

    tomgarven wrote on Mar 10, 2010 6:51 PM:

    " Triple J wrote on Mar 10, 2010 3:25 PM:
    " Tom G, it says in the article they already have it figured out. I'm guessing it's not going to be your idea of a drywall wall on the outside of the building. Me thinks drywall wasn't designed to be totally exposed to the weather(rain).

    Tom G. responds. Not only is it stupid to expose drywall to the weather it also violates the building Code the last time I looked. I guess anyone who writes here needs to be much more specific. O.K. so drywall covered with moisture resistant building paper, covered with 1" of foam, covered with stucco wire and stucco. Oh and don't forget a couple of coats of bright purple paint.

    Also why on earth would I recommend building a 40 long wall next to another wall? Ah forget it, maybe I should up load a drawing with all the specifications included. I guess I assumed almost everyone understands how sound travels through walls and how to prevent it.

    I really get frustrated as times trying to help our community solve problems. I don't really mind the little "me thinks" sarcastic jab and I could also play that same game - but that does not accomplish anything except to build barriers to solving problems.

    Here you have a thriving business trying to be a good neighbor, spending hundreds on some darn machine to remove the bass from the music just to try and make some people happy. So the people who like to feel the beat of the music instead will end up with a bunch of tinny sounds.

    O.K I am finished venting my fustrations. Getting down off my soap box now.

    Tom G. "

    LHCwasteland wrote on Mar 10, 2010 6:10 PM:

    " It's really quite funny when bands played and the police on occasion asked them to turn down, the band did. It sounds more like a management problem. It's not that big of a deal. There's this knob on their power amps meaning more than one and it's called a volume control. The very same thing you use on your car radio believe it or not, it works the same way. It don't help that they have speakers all around the out doors bar suspended in the air. A band only uses two up front. They're pushing around six 15in. speakers with horns. Da. I don't know what kind of machine Artie's talking about that would take out the bass, that was funny. He must of had a good laugh after that session. That's the nature of the beast. Loud club music is designed for in doors. Lower it down, it's that simple. If a band of four can do it, I think Artie can manage. It's more of, does he want to? There wasn't a problem with noise tell they went to DJ. Then again that's what it is, noise. "

    ! wrote on Mar 10, 2010 4:27 PM:

    " No one wants BJ's to loose business all we want is quite. I bought my single family home in 2002. I sat outside it several nights before I purchased, to see if it was quite and it was. Have you ever heard one of those car systems that makes your home vibrate as it passes? Well that's what we experience from the bar music. I don't expect anyone to understand but it would be reasonable to expect a peaceful night. "

    Triple J wrote on Mar 10, 2010 3:25 PM:

    " Tom G, it says in the article they already have it figured out. I'm guessing it's not going to be your idea of a drywall wall on the outside of the building. Me thinks drywall wasn't designed to be totally exposed to the weather(rain).

    Rosie, how would you like to have to wear ear plugs to sleep at night because the noise coming from a nearby establishment keeps you up all night?

    Mr.Havasu, not all of them are owners. Some of them are renters and before you say "Than they should rent someplace else!" how is that fair to the owner who can't rent their condo out because of the noise level coming from BJ's? It's not fair to the renters or the owners, but I can see that's tough to understand when it's not you in that situation. I'd say a good majority of the owners have owned them long before BJ's created an outdoor concert stadium.

    It's not going to destory their business to turn the music down or create a way to control the noise. Nobody wants them shut down. "

    Mr. Havasu wrote on Mar 10, 2010 10:05 AM:

    " So we should shut down a business that caters to hundreds of people every week and that pays tax money to the City so a few people who bought CHEEP condos and apts. can get some sleep. I say, what did the complainers think was going to happen when they bought a residence so close to a business district. I don't feel a bit sorry for them! "

    tomgarven wrote on Mar 10, 2010 8:29 AM:

    " There are many solutions for this problem but so far it does not appear people are looking for them. We seem to be divided into two camps. Almost any good sound engineer can solve the problem in about a week or two.

    And it is not a very expensive fix. At the present time BJ's is making a good profit. Some of that profit needs to be fed back into the business to resolve this issue with the residents. God forbid we keep complaining and fighting until the business is gone.

    So here are a couple of solutions. On the back wall of the outdoor area [area that faces the residential area] install a 12' high noise barrier wall. Last time I was at JB's I am guessing that the wall would be about 40' long wall. These are double 2 X 4" walls insulated and dry-walled. On top of this wall make a 6' 45 degree angled wall facing into the dance area. Then cover this 6' wall and the top 6' of the 12' wall with egg crate looking sound absorbing material and like magic the sound level is dropped dramatically. Then mount the speakers about 2' from the walls on separate pedestals about 4' above the floor level so the sound vibrations can't be transmitted through the wall.

    Like Magic - BJ's won't go broke building a wall and covering it with sound absorbing materials, the neighbors will be happy, the beer will still cold and dancing will still be fun and good exercise for all.

    Come on people - controlling sound is a well understood science - we can do this. Lets spend a little bit to keep a good business in business.

    Tom G. "

    Mutant wrote on Mar 10, 2010 7:30 AM:

    " funny how the bar underneath the bridge wasn't mentioned about noise, Spring break means loud bass thumpings should be heard soon. Does the article suggest that If I had a noise issue problem with a bar near me, I need to call the bar first to ask them nicely to turn it down? If that works I am all for it. "

    Rosie wrote on Mar 10, 2010 4:55 AM:

    " What about ear plugs for the residents that live close to BJ's? "

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