66 percent arrested during the weekend were Californians

 

Many who came to town on vacation this past weekend left on probation.

The holiday’s crime statistics, released Tuesday by the city’s Police Department, show that two-thirds of the people arrested during Labor Day weekend were from California.

In all, 169 people were arrested this past weekend, 11 more than last year. Of that, 112, or 66 percent, were from the sunshine state.

“That does appear to be normal and right in line with previous holidays,” police Lt. Rich Sloma said.

The majority of arrests, 60, were for underage possession/consumption of alcohol. Disorderly conduct, 25, and drinking in public, 10, rounded out the top three categories.

Nine people were charged with offensive conduct, a city ordinance aimed at preventing unruly behavior before it becomes a more serious crime.

The ordinance was in effect for the 2006 Labor Day weekend, but this was the first year it had been enforced for the entire summer, giving visitors an increased awareness, Sloma said.

Nine people also were arrested on suspicion of drunken driving, a drop from past years, police Chief Dan Doyle said.

“That’s a little bit low for a holiday weekend, but there was a lot of awareness. There was a DUI task force going on. Hopefully, people are getting the idea,” he said.

Police are seeing the same thing with OUI arrests, noting that the number of OUI arrests in the Channel is “down significantly” compared to last year, Doyle said.

“We’re attributing that to the emphasis we placed on it the last boating season. We’re seeing more designated drivers, so I think the increased awareness is helping,” he said.

The city’s Fire Department also had a busy holiday. Firefighters this past weekend responded to 106 emergencies, up from 87 last year.

The majority of those, 78, were medical calls. Firefighers also responded to nine fire-related calls and four vehicle accidents.

“Even though the total number of emergency incidents increased from last year’s totals, we were fortunate enough to have a fairly safe weekend,” fire Chief Dennis Mueller said.

David Bell contributed to this article. You may contact the reporter at raap@havasunews.com.

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anonymous

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anonymous

On the discussion board somebody suggested it was more important to have someone know to purify water than decide the law. First,I discount the arguement out of had because we can have both. Secondly, I can boil water (someone made that point and I agree). I also know that if you have a man on the bench who is not impartial then you might as well have the arrest, trial and punishment by the cops on the side of the road-and if you like that move to Iran.

anonymous

I did quick scan of the internet chat boards and man the reputation of Havasu cops and judges is spreading. I read a chat board in Knoxville talking about the situation here. I hope that those who are reform minded in the City Government (and whom we know read this board everyday) are able to get the job done soon.

anonymous

Even as the editor refuses to print written editorials about the corrupt judge and bad cops, even as the editor does not allow specifics about the bad judges and bad cops on the discussion board, even as the editor took this most commented page from the homepage, it still is an issue that resonates. I am glad to see so many are still commenting on it.

anonymous

Crazy, I was in court (for a totally non-criminal matter for the haters out there) and witness a trial where a man was denied the right to call his attorney and the judge said so what about it? The cops and judge here are very bad. Denied the right to call the cops? Then having a judge uphold that? Is this iran? Next we know we will see, like Iran, the judge will sentence us to 200 lashes for making his behavior public

anonymous

For those who say the justice system in havasu is just fine here is a REAL case I sat in on. A businessman was recently charged with a misdmeanor. What is was does not matter and I want to protect identities as much as possible. He took it all they way to trial. I understand the Prosecutor offered a deal that would have been a slap on the wrist and this person turned it down saying he did not do anything wrong. The accuser wrote a letter to the Judge saying they were wrong and would not come to AZ because they were threatened with jail for false accusation. The only other witness was the accusers drug dealer who is a three time felon. The local judge did not admit the letter, the accuser did not show, the judge took the word of felon the accuser said was in on the false charges over the businessman who is a decorated officer in the military! How insane is this Judge!! I recommend those who say everything is great in Havasu go sit in court sometime. You will be astonished and ashamed. BTW I am a Republican, strong supporter of police in general (my brother is cop) and I am still ashamed.

anonymous

I for one am going to keep posting on this thread to make sure it keeps showing up on google. I think words like corrupt judge or magistrate, speed trap, crime lake havasu bridge arizona should encourage people who google to read this thread.

anonymous

it is good to see that people are still finding this article to post in it. I know that I would like to see it continue. I think that people googling london bridge, lake havasu tourism, lake havasu boating, lake havasu vacation and other things should have this pop up!

anonymous

I suspect the editor of the paper was strong armed by the cops in some type of fake police pullover. That is why this article has been pulled from the daily top 4 list. It still is generating more talk than some in the top four and its not there. The only reason I can think this would happen is that the it hit a nerve with a corrupt cop and he threatened somebody to get it off the top four.

anonymous

For those people who think that the reason people are not coming here because of gas prices should see the Reuters news story today that says that travel by car is UP in spite of gas prices. People (like say California) are going to MORE places they can drive to instead of flying. So using the idea that gas prices are the reason tourism is down is just wrong. As has been stated time after time, the MAIN reason tourism is down is due to the poor reputation this city justice system EARNED for itself.

anonymous

I do not want to a corrupt police force let alone a city where I pay taxes. I do not want my tax money being used to support corruption at all! The city should immediatly begin an investigation to end this in our city. Criminals should go to jail, all criminals including bad cops and even Judges if need be-and lets not forget to include council people who knowingly allow bad cops and Judges to run rampant in our city.

anonymous

Its a darn shame that the newspaper seems to trying to make this issue die buy not putting it on the most commented section. I dont know if it is a technical fluke or a lack of courage. I hope that paper will soon fix whatever problem it is.

anonymous

Booby, I am sure the corrupt police would love to fill the position if they can rip themselves from making false charges.

anonymous

I am all for criminals with badges going to jail and Judges who knowingly allow arrests to be convictions should be in jail too.

anonymous

Californians== I just spoke to the warden at Pelican Bay and he has some openings if you'd like to go home.

anonymous

Yea thats an idea ! Lets replace all the judges statewide with much more liberal forgiving ones.We would also save lotsa money cause all the prisons would be empty.We wont need any police ,more money saved.Then we could just change the state name to New California.

anonymous

I dont know what shows Tony are watching. Law and Order? CSI? Dragnet? What television show has criminal getting away with it? I would LOVE to have criminals go to jail. The discussion HERE are the INNOCENT PEOPLE FALSELY ACCUSSED BY BAD COPS. I cant wait to how successful this town is once we get good cops and Judge who has passed the bar. (has anyone noticed that the poster who is a cop has never denied that the Judge has ever ruled against the cops?-that is a statistical imposibility for any honest court and police force)

Tony

I think the little criminals feelings are hurt that life isn't like on the television,where criminals go free and doing wrong is rewarded.

anonymous

Remember when Bullhead City was a little backwater place and Havasu was the place to be? Tourism flowed into Havasu and Laughlin was a side trip. Now the opposite is true. We have tourism flowing into other parts of the county and avoiding Havasu. Why? Well we all have our ideas as to why but it obvious to me that this started when the cops started to harrass our visitors. How do we fix it? That is the real question. We all know that the judge needs to be replaced with someone who at least attended law school, and clear message needs to sent to the police that false charges will no longer be acceptable. Other than those two things what else do the citizens suggest? Any honest cops want to add anything constructive to the list?

anonymous

I am amazed that so many people are having problems with the cops and the council is mute on this. Is it possible that because the city magistrates office and the police department are under the council that somehow this is a secret nod to both to continue to bilk the public to keep the money flowing in? It would not be the first time something like this has happened in the U.S. but I would hate to think it is happening here.

anonymous

Of course the police need to obey the law too .But having some snot nosed kid with a grudge come on here with constant babble that the police are doing wrong is moronic.If you cant or wont step and be a man and complain to FBI its all just lip service.

anonymous

It is so fun to get home from a hard day working to relax at home and read what the local cops had posted to make it seem that the only people who post asking cops to obey the laws are criminals. You keep it up guy, its funny how you think people dont see through it. Like the rest, I just wish cops would obey the laws. Drive the speed limit when not on a call (you only drive the speed limit when looking to pull over people) hey when your off duty dont drink on the boat (I work on the docks and see the cans of beers in your boats-guess when you have the badge you dont have to worry about other cops pulling you in) ask your wives to keep to tops on on the lake when your off duty (dont bother to deny it-I know and you dont want me to spell out how) hey dont drink and drive! (see the boat comments) and most of all-dont deny any of the above because I know better by witnessing it. Oh and dont bother to say "report it" cause if fellow cops are letting you off for the above I have no confidence they will do anything when reported. As for the magistrate-I could write volumes!

Richard K

Bronson and all his other nome de plume have me conviced that there is a problem with police and its must be widespread instead of isolated. So please, post another nome de plume and tell us how everyone who thinks the police should should obey laws are criminals.

anonymous

YA! asking cops to obey the law is just unreasonable1

anonymous

"stop breaking the law" when lockdown is over write something intelligent for once

anonymous

Manny and Cheryl, when you get done with patrol today you should read the post at 2:09am by Hero's. I agree if COPS STOP BREAKING THE LAW then nobody could complain.

anonymous

Instead of playing lawyer why not try obeying the law so you dont put yourself in jail.You idiots think you know the law from watching TV,get a life.

anonymous

Ah the typical"I'm innocent the cops are picking on me" rants.Get over it bozo's nobody is buying it.

anonymous

Vicky, I reread some posts and you were planning on going to a council meeting about this; can you tell us what happened and if it did any good??

anonymous

yall kin talk all ya want aint doin no good makes ya sound like morons

anonymous

One of the least intelligent remarks I have seen posted is by someone who says that only criminal complain. The people who stood against corruption who are hero's-George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, other signatories of the DofI, and MLK ect, ect ect. Get the picture? Its heroic to stand against corruption. By the number of posts and how long this topic has been in the most commented section I would say that Havasu has a real problem.

anonymous

Patronizing poster, is it not doing something by talking about it on this board? We know the council reads the boards. It will be an issue in the next election. The council members need to decide if being on the side of corrupt cops and a bad Judge is the side they want to be on.

anonymous

ma/pa kettle, dontcha get it? if this council isnt doing there job, then git out there and do somethin bout it. it do sound like whinin when ya don't do nothing to change it

anonymous

I didnt relize asking police to obey the law is considered whining. Nor did I know that bad behavior by police in California make bad behavior by the LHCPD justified. I do know that I want the police to obey the law here and from what is reported they are not. Running for council is not needed, what is needed are the current council to act now before tourist season begins anew and we lose out on millions in revenue because of the reputation a corrupt police and Judge have earned us.

anonymous

Come on my ex fellow californians. Stop whining! During my 25+ years in California I got my share of corrupt cops and unjustified tickets. At least here you can walk on the streets after dark without getting shoot. My friend just got shot on the LA freeway while he was changing his tire a while ago. Lake Havasu is a great place to live, even the former gang membes are moving here to start a new life... Try to drive drunk at Parker, or speed around Searchlight. I'm paying property taxes in CA also and I can not vote over there. Voting is not only for the property owners, for the peasents, unemployed and the illegals also. Run for council member and change the police, do something positive!

IMHO

wackowill will not see anything in Lake Havasu that does not happen in any body of water in any town in the united states except maybe police wearing shorts and jackboots. How do you work in those boots wackowill?

anonymous

I for one will not go to the river/lake because of the dozens of stories I have heard where cops have arrested innocent people who were doing NOTHING illegal and the Judge who ignores all evidence including VIDEOTAPE of the innocent proving innocence. It is a shame I have to drive 45 miles out of my own city to go to an area where the Havasu Police do not target innocent people.

anonymous

thanks wacowill. this is what some of us have been saying all along. l/h let them get away with it for too long.

anonymous

to AW?-NO, I am not saying it is acceptable to have bad cops. What I am asking is: what are YOU doing about it? Some of you sound afraid to stand up for what you beleive in. Have neighborhood meetings, to get your act together and then go before the council and voice your concerns. There has to be someone on the council that will believe your stories. There is saftey in numbers.

anonymous

My family and I no longer go to the lake/river in LHC.If people acted like this in Texas they would be in jail in a minute.Its not a family type enviroment at river any longer.

anonymous

I for one am glad to see that police are logging on and are full aware that the public is onto their corruption and abuse of authority.

anonymous

To the cop, I dont mind honest cops being stricter, that's not the problem here. The problem is bad cops charging innocent people. The corrupt cops and corrupt judges need to get gone.

anonymous

I think the cops need to be much stricter with the enforcement of the law.To much garbage still floating around town.

anonymous

Are you saying that its acceptable to have bad cops? Do you put anything past bad cops? Would you accept a criminal walking around for any reason? Are bad cops not also criminals?

anonymous

Are you saying that the whole town is being held hostage by the cops and judge???

anonymous

I can imagine standing in front of council expressing our concerns while the cops are towing your car from the parking lot because a similar car was used in a robbery in New Jersey 4 years ago. But wait-they will need a Judge to sign off on it....wait he is corrupt too! The council reads this board, Ron Gould reads this board, Buster Johnson reads this board. All can do something to get the investigation going.

anonymous

I am all for getting the problem solved because its unthinkable to have a corrupt police force. I do agree that if you have a corrupt police force or a corrupt Judge it may not be smart to out front in public about it. I hope the council does something and if someone makes a suggestion I am all for it and will help but I think that calling the council to ask they fire the Judge and other corrupt cops is a good place to start.

anonymous

yall need to git a life. insted of righting on here, go out an git involved wit somthin wortwhile-yeha

anonymous

keeping it TOMA. AGAIN, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM? It does no good to sit and whine on here, if you aren't going to help solve the situation. Are you waiting for someone else to do it? That is not going to happen; it takes a leader and it takes a follower. Which are you?

anonymous

Here is a link to a website that promotes a federal law to make cops automatically get 2x the mandatory for any crime they commit. That is a start in the right direction. It also points out that nationwide used car salesmen have more trust with the public than cops.
http://www.reportbadcops.com/index.htm

anonymous

As a reformed and retired police officer I can say that the local police leave much to be desired when it comes to civil rights.

anonymous

Your right, this topic has been in the in the top for the last few months. What does that tell you? That it has struck a cord with people. By keeping it in the top mentioned stories it does two things. It keeps the local council, police, and Judge aware that the people are onto them. Secondly it makes any potential visitor aware that coming here is not a good idea while we have such corruption of justice in our town. Even the newspaper is saying "come to Havasu on Vacation-leave on probation" in its non-related news story's like yesterday. Across the internet on sights about bad cops, speed traps ect and sites about vacation spots Havasu is mentioned often as a place where cops and judges are bad. So do we solve the problem or do march in bliss toward bankruptcy?

anonymous

The concern for those of us who love the constitution and live here is that because the police feel free to make us charges against visitors they will feel emboldened to make us charges against citizens. If you love the country you dont like corrupt cops and really dislike corrupt Judges.

anonymous

Cheri, the City Council should ask the FBI or another impartial entity to investigate, charge, and prosecute the judicial system here.

anonymous

this post has been going on for almost 3 months-have YOU done anything to resolve the problem? the cals must still be coming to LH or they wouldn't care about our court system.

anonymous

Yes, Make sure you stand right out in the open so the police and the Judge know who you are, who your kids are , and where you live. Its always a smart with police and corrupt Judges to let them know you know all about them! As we all know the police read this (and comment all the time) as well as the council members. They have the ability to fix to problem.

anonymous

if the city is that corrupt get the fbi to investigate

Really

you people make me sick-your statements drip with hatred-you wouldn't be afraid of the police if you are not doing anything wrong. you cannot expect to go to a community on vacation and let it all hang out-i mean doing anything you want. there are laws and everyone should abide by them. why do people assume that the laws are for everyone but them. it is just like at a stop sign-people don't even stop anymore. they slow to a crawl and don't even look, and go right through. i have witnessed more than one accident. you can bet, i am going to tell the cops the truth about what i saw. i don't care if you call me a narc-you could have killed me or someone i love. a law is a law. grow up and follow the laws. you can have fun without acting like you are brainless. i also don't care where you hale from. we are all transplants here.

anonymous

If every cop in Havasu is corrupt and charging people with crimes who are innocent just to shake them down so a judge can show his court in the black then you bet the entire police force needs to be fired. The sheriff will then take over the duties of the police until new non-corrupt officers are hired. I would like officers who are above reproach and do not use the color of authority to commit crimes

anonymous

Is anyone really DOING anything about "this accuasation" or are you going to sit and keep complaining? Enough already!! Be a part of the solution and not part of the problem!

Richard K

Kim, I believe that the council should just do it's job and that is looking after the people. If they did that then they would be concerned why Lake Havasu City has a bad reputation among those we are targeting for tourism. They would then fix the problem by setting a policy that the police will not falsely accuse tourist and replace the Judge with someone-anyone-who can be fair and impartial instead of what we have now.

anonymous

Kim/Ben, its nice to see the police department on here trying to confuse the issue and discredit those who are exposing you. What should the council do? A) have the city manager start an investigation of the complaints of those who say they have been falsely cited. This should be a civilian commission with no police on it. I can explain why later if you wish. B) Check into why the city hired contracted Judge has not EVER ruled against the police. This investigation should be done by the former Chief Justice of the AZ supreme court because he has already stated that Magistrates should have a law degree and ours does not. C) Once the first study confirms the police are falsely accusing California visitors we should install a civilian oversight commission over the police. D) fire the current Judge and hire someone with a law degree. E) Instruct the tourism board to start passing the word that we have removed the bad cops and judges. Simple/ Thats what I would do but I am sure others will have other ideas what to do with a corrupt justice system.

kim

what would you like the council to do ?eliminate the police dept?because really people will always cry and complainno matter who or what the police do.maybe everyone should just be on the honor system.

anonymous

All you felons will have to do is vote out officials that dont pamper your criminal ways .I'm sure that will satisfy all your carnal pleasures.

anonymous

I am hoping that the council will do something about this problem before the city is sued. We cannot afford a huge lawsuit and when it happens the council will have the recall that follows on nobody but themselves.

anonymous

The Judge is the problem here. If we had a judge that knew the law and stood up for the rights of people then bad cops could not operate.

anonymous

Wisps of smoke, so many of the claims about the cops here being corrupt are like smoke. And where there is smoke there is fire. Lets concentrate on why Havasu has such a bad reputation. If the problem were the California crowd then they would say it about everywhere. They are saying it about Havasu. So the problem is here.

anonymous

So council members who read this, and we all know you do, what are you going to do about the bad Judge and bad cops? Its not a question of if, its a question of what you are going to do about the problem?

anonymous

Maybe the reason so many Ca residents are arrested is that they have so many felonious qualities?

anonymous

I am not the parent of the boy hit by the car. I was responding to the question you asked. On another point. Its sad to see so many not understand basic civics that any 6th grader would know and how many cant understand that the ONLY criminals be spoken about are the cops who use the badge to falsely accuse people of crimes. There is NOT ONE reason in the world any person in a crosswalk gets a ticket. You have the absolute right of way. Its basic driving skills when you take the DL test. You stop BEFORE the sidewalk. Its a foregone conclusion in this circumstance. The former cop who posts here and thinks they are defending the blue you are wrong. You are hurting the badge when you defend badges who are corrupt.

karl

the amount of pro-criminals on this page astounds me,if your all living in AZ ,CA must be empty.

Just wondering

there you go-jumping on the band wagon and ASSUME that I am defending the cops! I asked if you son was RIDING the skateboard, at the time he was hit, only thinking the reason he was hit was because the car could not stop in time! Skateboarders can pick up speed and come out of anywhere. Ofcourse he and all other peds have the right of way!!I do not know why he got a ticket, that is up to you and the police to determine. cool down a little and be thankful that he wasn't killed!!

anonymous

Its a sad day for liberties when victims who are children are accussed and convicted because they happen to be visiting from California. What in God's green earth is the council thinking allowing this to go on? I am sickened by the events described but by the people who blindly accept this continuing miscarraige of Justice and this abuse under the color of authority. California might have it problems folks but bad cops and bad Judges are put in jail along with all the other bad guys. I would also say that some people who are defending the cops and Judge's maybe should join them.

anonymous

Justwondering, spoken like someone who is trying to make excuses for the cops. A kid, in the crosswalks when a car has a stop sign always always always has the right of way. If he was jaywalking so to speak then maybe yes he should have gotten the ticket but at a corner the pedestrian/biker/rollerskater has the right of way. Thanks to the poster for once again highlighting how messed up this town's police and Judge are.

justwondering

was your son riding the skate board in the crosswalk?

anonymous

Here is a story for you cop lovers. My 14 year old son was hit by a car, in the crosswalk, when he had the right of way while on his skateboard. The cops found out we were visiting Havasu from California and ticketed my son. The driver got nothing. We tried to take it to trial and the local Judge did not allow any witnesses who were all impartial. Havasu is a cess pit of bad justice.

anonymous

It appears that the cops from Havasu got their training in Mexico. "How to make up charges to bilk money 101"

anonymous

Don, I am glad you have said what you said. I have sat in the courtroom in Lake Havasu City city court and I have appauld at the behavior of the Judge. I have sat through every type of proceeding. You and the Judge should remember one thing, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Just because a cop says you are guilty does not mean you are. Secondly, the rules of court apply to everyone including the judge. The rules of evidence exists for a reason, the rights given us like speedy trial, unreasonable search and seizure, right to speak to have an attorney present exist for a reason. From my observations this Judge ignores all of it. While I have not passed the Arizona bar I have attended law school. This is something that the local Judge has not. Another thing Don. Most people who are guilty will plead so before a trial. Some of those who go to trial really are innocent and if you have a Judge like you have in Lake Havasu then guilty verdict is a foregone conclusion. They have a right to say "I am innocent". How many death row convictions are being overturned now because Cops or Judges made up evidence or allowed in bad evidence and the person really was innocent? How many innocent people have been put to death because DNA evidence was overlooked, destroyed, or happened before DNA was known? I am all for the guilty going to jail, but I believe the burden of proof is on the state and that we have the rights given to us by God and enumerated in the Constitution for a reason. I also believe in the same thing that the founders believe, that it is far better ten guilty go free than one innocent be convicted. It is also true that no one is above the law to include cops and Judges. Lets keep focus. The issues being discussed here is not guilty saying they are innocent. Its innocent being falsely accussed.

anonymous

IF you like Mexhico so much, stay there and take your Mexihcan friends with you

anonymous

The fact is the criminals never say their doing wrong its always the cops the judges and evereyone else thats wrong.What these type want are weak police ,weak laws and weak judges so they can do whatever they want at taxpayers expense.Try sitting in a court room and watch the flood of garbage flood in. Disgusting.

WHAT

5051-there happy to see ya? Now are they?? stay in mexicho

anonymous

FBI are cops. Cops protect cops. Judges protect judges. The best way to solve this problem is for us locals to keep talking about this on this board. I know the council member read this. If they do nothing and the tourism continues to decline due to the inaction of the council then its time to get a council and Mayor that stand for the constitution and will fire the current city judges that allow this to happen. As for going to Mexico. You are not alone. Many of my California friends are going to Rocky Point because they feel the police are less of the threat. Its sad when people feel safer from false charges in Mexico then American.

rivr5150

IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WERE ABUSED BY HAVASU P.D.GET THE F.B.I.TO INVESIGATE.GET YOUR FACTS IN ORDER,ME BEING A BAD CALI.PERSON I STOPPED GOING AND RENTED MY CONDO TO SNOW BIRDS,I GO TO MEXACO ON VACATION THERE HAPPY TO SEE ME.

anonymous

Don this has NOTHING to do with coddling criminals unless the coddling criminals are the police and judges-if that the case YOU are doing the coddling. The issue is that cops are falsely accusing people and the Judge is willingly going along with it.

anonymous

Since this article's printing, this blog has continued for over two months. At times, it strays from the point, but has become a strong city issue. The point has been clearly made however, that concerns need to be addressed. The City's leaders need to act, before the '08 tourist season is here. We've test-driven this new ordinance, and have found it needs some fixing. So let's fix it, and resurrect Havasu's name.

anonymous

I'm tired of supporting a revolving door justice system .Quit coddling these animals .If you are so pro -criminal maybe you should support them,I'm sick of it.

anonymous

We are from California and owne a house in Lake Havasu City last month my wife and I were driving down from our home up the hill in a 35 mile per hour zone doing 35 miles per hour and were pulled over by a lake havasu city police officer working radar on the side of the road. he stated that we were doing 48 miles per hour in a posted 35 mile per hour zone I told him as my wife did that this was un true and asked to see the radar lock numbers on his unit(my wife works for the firm that sold these units)he stated that it does not hold this information as my wife layed into him with a number of technical questions about his training on this radar system he desided to let us go with a warning. We were in a 2007 Ukon XL with california plates.I had told my wife about this problem and she has read these comments here so we desided to go back to our home and get our lake havasu registared truck and drive the same route, as we passed the same officer located on the side of the road at 39 miles per hour all he did was look at us and that was it seems odd speeding is speeding nomadder what your plate reads we thought.For those of you California bashers talking about us California people being drunks and losers go by the Office bar or Chilli charles bar or any other bar in town during the week at night and see who is really driving drunk in your town.

anonymous

You may not like civil liberties Don but those are what makes America great. Join us in the 21st century and pick up an 6th grade civic book to aquaint yourself with the rights that the founders fought for. When you do you will A) remove your foot from your mouth, and B) see that Havasu has a law that has no business in America.

anonymous

Don must have missed his friendly havasu meth injection. Dont worry, its dispensed in almost any of our friendly local bars. Mostly because our cops are more interested in busting rich tourists instead of going after our easy to find drug production houses. Drug dealers who deal in Meth cant pay huge fines so they go to jail-that is not a money making proposition for the city so they will keep making up charges against the people foolish enough to listen to our ads asking them to come. With the help of our jester judge we will have money flowing into the treasury.

anonymous

Don must want the islamic county legal system like Iran. I hear saddam was a tough judge, gassed a whole city. We Americans like justice through and by the highest law of the land-the constitution.

anonymous

I believe we need a change too.We need a good hanging judge with a good supply of rope.Quit letting all this garbage back out,rope is the answer!

anonymous

Its time for the people of Havasu to demand change for the better in our justice system. Perception is reality, especially when it comes to family's looking to come here and if our police are perceived to be on par with the mexican police then we have a real problem attracting wealthy singles or family's.

anonymous

I am sure that meth exists in California but what good does it do to deny a report from the Feds that we here in Mohave County are a major source of this terrible drug? All you have to do is walk down the street or any of our many many many drinking establishments to see that it is a real problem here. Trying to blame others for problem we refuse to see is less than honest and only hurts ourselves. We might also want to remember the addage "he who is without sin cast the first stone" I dont think we can call out any other town until we fix our own problem

Tony

CA = meth

anonymous

The office of National Drug Control Policy has identified Mohave as a major source for meth in the Southwest. Meth heads are here. Lets make sure that california boaters get falsely accused to raise revenue instead of going after the meth production in the city.

anonymous

I think the LHCPD is the way it is because its allowed to get away with it. Its a lack of leadership from above that allows it. It may be intentional apathy, intentional ignorance or intentional deliberate but in any case it is intentional. No matter which it is the cure is the same. The council needs to review the contract for its magistrate that allows a police department to violate the rights of ordinary people to justify overtime, raise revenue, or just satisfy an itch.

anonymous

for all you this is how it is okay you come here on vacation leave on probation and you come back on a violation thats the truth so all of you cop lovers that have never been in trouble or anything or for all the copcallers dont speak because you all have know idea what you are talking about so quit being fake lame storytellers LHCPD are a bunch of power tripping phonies so thats all i got ill be here all week and for the record i still support radical habits SRH

anonymous

To those who say "Havasu-love it or leave it" I say bull****. I say "constitution-love it or leave the USA" The constitution is for every person in America. The laws of Havasu need to conform to that document and the cops and judges are expected to abide by it. Its to darn bad that Havasu spends tons of money inviting people here for vacation and the residents dont like to share "thier" lake. Newsflash. Its not your Lake. The people who come here are invited guests. You dont like guests here then YOU move on. My paychecks come from people whose jobs depend on guests. I live here, work here, raise my kids here, pay taxes here and care far more that me and my kids are protected by an honest police force and have an honest court. If this is not the case then those who support bad government need to go somewhere like Russia where corruption in the police and courts is ok.

anonymous

It is hard to believe that some poster is willing to accept police violating anyones rights for any reason unless that person is or was a cop. I am do not like the aclu but maybe Havasu needs to have its collective butt sued to fully appreciate the need to reform corruption in government. Then the council can be recalled for rehiring a bad judge and police chief that has not done enough to raise standards of his officers. The city manger may need to be replaced along with the city attorney too for not sounding the call for change.

anonymous

I applaud and thank you for your service. I agree that Havasu's criminal justice system is in shambles since the combination of new police, new city attorney and old city judge coalessed into this travesty of justice.

anonymous

I am of the firm belief that the problem about Havasu reputation has impacted us greatly. Mainly because I know nice family's that do not come down here anymore because of the overbearing tactics of the police. I find it hard to believe that the professionals (legal, medical, business owners) that are my friends are the type to engage in wanton activity. In fact some would lose everything is even accused of it so they tell me that they cannot chance being in Havasu with its anti-california police force and a reputation for making false charges. They now go to lake pleasant, laughlin, or parker. They love Havasu but tell me that Havasu has such a bad reputation now that its not worth it. So I know go visit my friends out of town and spend my money there.

anonymous

I am disgusted. It is sad when people will happily walk into ignorance over the local law stomping on the rights that so many men and women have died to keep and over what? Becuase some of my local nieghbors hate people from california. I served my country to uphold the constitution, and no matter what some cop says, my rights are FAR FAR FAR more important to me than them trying to rack up some numbers to justify overtime.

anonymous

Little Beach, next to Big Beach is topless (completely nude actually) in Maui. Big beach is full of familys and the two co-exist in harmony. Little beach actually has better diving than big beach which is how I discovered it was nude. The funny thing is that when Hawaii was throwing a fit about it and arresting people for being nude tourism declined, now that they let it alone its a haven for world travelers. The smokey mountain resort area of North Caronlina posted a 22% increase for the 2007 tourist season BTW. So much for idea that the economy slowed things down.

anonymous

For Duh. Where's this topless beach in Maui? I've owned a place on Maui for several years and spend quite a bit of time there and have never run across a topless beach. I really want to look that one up when I get back there.

anonymous

The problem in Havasu is the city, not the visitors. Refusing to do anything about corruption in the city is a disgusting immorality for the people. You want a nice place for family's? Then try actually thinking. Laughlin and Bullhead city do not have the suppossed problems because no real problem exists! If anyplace was going to bottomless pit of immorality it would Laughlin-yet they do not have the suppossed gangs of topsless women on the beaches. Why? Because the cops make up most of it. Lack of morality in Havasu is a problem-its the person who posts and supports corrupt police and judges who has a lack of morality. Its not moral to accuse the innocent so the police can justify jobs and the courts can operate in the black.

anonymous

Sissy1 you seem to be speaking to morals! How moral is it to accept a police department that makes up charges and ex-cop judges who always rule for the cops! The REAL moral dilemma is for people like you who ACCEPT this behavior from thier city employees!

anonymous

Just because there is rudeness and lewdness in other cities and beaches, doesn't make it right!! Is that what you want for your children?? I guess there are some people who do drugs around their kids too, so anything goes for them. Get some morals!!

Richard K

I guess a question for the one who keeps posting for the police and judge in this town ie the constitutionaly impaired- would be this. If on the "people court" show how would you feel if every episode, no matter the evidence-if the judge sided with those at the table to his left? You would say after about 25 or 30 cases that the judge had something wrong with him. Well that is the problem here. The judge never sides with the defendant. Never, nada. at no time.

anonymous

It would be nice if the cops in this city would worry more about real criminals in our town who live in our nieghborhoods. If they cared the same for the real crimes that affect people in this town instead of making up charges and giving tickets to collect funds from out of town folks this place would not have one meth head in it. The real criminals live here year round. Go after the real criminals

anonymous

Other beaches you'll also see drug deals,graffitti and assorted obnoxious activity.Hopefully the Police continue to do their fine work and Judges incarcerate all these low life hoodlums.

anonymous

What amazes me is that people here are going nuts over what is seen every day on major tourist beaches across the county. I just got back from Maui and the nicest beach in Maui is full of topless women. Whats more, if I read the posts right, people here are not even topless they are just being charged with being topless to collect some money for the city.

anonymous

I am a law abiding citizen who finds it terrible that the justice system in Havasu feels its ok to break the law and infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens. Its too bad that in America there is a place where the justice system feels free to abuse american citizens.

anonymous

Californians when you leave remember to take your meth labs and graffitti artists with you

anonymous

This will not stop until people grow up and quit acting like they are 15! They don't know any better, but should!

anonymous

Sher/law abiding/Kelly: Spoken like Roscoe P Coltrain or Boss Hogg. Now for the rest of us living in the real world- law breakers with badges or black robes are bad. I have seen the websites list Havasu as a speed trap and others that tell other visitors not to come here.

anonymous

How 'bout we invite your whiney attitude to leave ,then you can giggle yourself daffy on your way thru Barstow.

anonymous

I find posts similar to those that Kelly posted very funny. Who sounds whiney? To me those who whine about the california crowd being here after being invited sounds whiney. Self-important? Who is more self-important that someone who acts as if they speak for the other 50,000 people here? Fruity attitude? Well fruity is excusing a police for when they violate anyones rights and looking the other way when courts pizz on the constitution.

anonymous

we all do wrong ca or az calif make up the majority of r visitors .so we shall not complain when they pay our bills .we live in the best city in the world .many people would love to live here.this will pass and we will still live in paradise

anonymous

The problem is neither in the law or the enforcement,its fine the way it is.

anonymous

The problem is not in law enforcement,the the courts ,or in law abiding citizens.The problem is in people who want special treatment and have some elitist attitude where they feel cause they have a couple bucks in their pocket their entitled.

anonymous

Some seem to think that this type of thing happens in any tourist destination town. It absolutely does not!!!! Bullhead/Laughlin are gaining market share (from us!) because they do not target tourist as easy picken's for the city revenues. Bullhead and Laughlin are concerned with real crimes and do not need to make up charges against thier visitors. Laughlin gets far more family's than Havasu does, in fact dozens of city's that are tourist oriented do not target tourist-from wisconsin dells to virgina beaches to florida beaches and dozens more-none are oppresive and hateful of the people that provide for thier main revenue. On top of that, this town is very anti-family. With the police more concerned about making up charges against those in the channel they are not out stopping drug dealers, burglers, thefts, and child molesters.

anonymous

At least in Tijuana the mexican cops let you off a bogus charge when slip the cop a 20. In Havasu you cant get out of town without slipping the city a few grand in fines and you get to be on probation with BOGUS CHARGE. (COPS GOT IT WRONG, MADE IT UP GOT IT!! GET IT? DOES IT SINK IN YET TARDS?)

anonymous

The problem is not in the law. Law enforcement cannot do anything but enforce the law as its written. The problem is the courts. The courts are the ones that need to stop an unjust and unconstitutional law. They are the ones that need to strike it down. Unfortunately for Havasu we do not have any judge who passed the bar. The chief magistrate of Havasu is hired by the council thus has a conflict when it comes to striking down laws. However, even if he did not have a appearence of conflict he still has the issue of never having attended law school thus not having a clear understanding of the law from the perspective obligations to protect the rights people over the zealousness of the lawmakers. Its a shame, and that is were the problem stems. The shame of the person presiding over the courts in Havasu

anonymous

I would like to congratulate Tony Raap, the reporter, for finally doing what papers should do-investigative reporting. I hope his three part series signals a change in the local paper doing more than just telling us what happened and doing the entire who what when where and HOW. Thanks Tony for exposing how destructive this ordinance has been to the merchants, the tourists, our liberties, and our people. Thanks also for showing us who has been afaid or unwilling to face this issue.

Bluemoo

Time to get out of this piece of C... town..

anonymous

The road leads outa LHC too, so Ca crybabies please use it.

anonymous

Every person who writes in support of the law in Havasu is nothing more than an O'Brian to the Winston smiths' who are trying to show how airstip one is trying to impliment the thought police and new-speak. Anything is ok as long as you are an inner-party member or a well thought of outer-party member but whoa be unto the proles from California who are not members.

anonymous

The law that Havasu passed is vague and obscure to meet any legal test or standard. Its the same as saying the a cop can pull you over and write a ticket for making a wierd face while driving. What is weird? Whose standard of weird? This law is a clear violation of rights. America was founded on rights and laws. One without the other is bad but we must side with rights before the law or we are lost as a free people. Its far better for 10 guilty people to go free than for one innocent to be denied his rights. If the accusations of charges being fabricated are even 1% true then we have a serious and real problem on Havasu.

anonymous

What a coincidence we dont miss your whiny,self-important,fruity attitude.So thanx for leaving.

anonymous

We don't miss the place at all,
our nieghbors don't sit around and talk about each other,
the stupidity,
the wind,
120 degree heat,
poor economy,
putting down the californians,
cops making a big deal out of nothing,
ect ect ect

anonymous

Today's article shows how the city or its anointed surrogates are trying to spin the circumstances of consequences of the ordinance that a few self-appointed keepers of Havasu morality have forced the council to foist upon us. The truer and more complete view comes from those whose livelihood and daily interactions with whom are directly affected by this poorly written illegal ordinance. Lets hope that this law is reversed or struck down soon so we can know that the council stands up for the rights of people not the pedomorphic minority whose shrill voices are heard over reason and justice.

anonymous

I hope that California Family is correct because this town arrogant attitude needs to be taken down

anonymous

Sometimes it feels as if the editor of the paper wants this topic to die off by not updating the comments. It has legs because it strikes a nerve with locals and tourist alike. It is obvious to me that the locals who posts are former cops or tourist haters. And the tourists have a real problem with heavy handed enforcment. If the object is attract family's then I dont understand how heavy handed enforcement encourages familys. Dads or Moms dont want to take kids to a place where the police are part of the problem. New York lowered crime partly by having cops drive 5 mph slower. How about cops here just patrol slower. That will discourage things that should not be happening and make family's feel safe.

anonymous

I today's News is very deceptive in its reporting. It takes a very "city" bounce in its reporting saying trying to report that its in any way constitutional because nobody has challanged it. Remember that city was zealous to enforce it evidenced by arresting people before violating the law before it takes effect. Secondly, the city seems to think that because nobody has challanged the law it ok. This is misleading. If someone who is out of town is cited under this ordinance and pleads not guilty that means a committment to return to Havasu often. The city court does not allow phone appearence. This is one way that the local court get you to plead guilty. Another way is simply any lawyer you talk to will tell you that the local courts do not find for the defendant (check it out-call one and ask) and they have never ruled against the cops. The other thing to remember that challanging a law will cost $50,000 or more for the challanger. Someone not challanging a law does not make it lawful or constitutional. The simple truth is that people are not coming here, the reasons are simple. Go to any type of visitor website or sites that report on speed traps ect and you will see that Havasu is listed. The word is out about Havasu. The question still remains unanswered; Do we stick our heads in the sand or do we do something about it.

anonymous

I hope the poor california residents dont come here seeking relief. If they come here they will add false charges to the troubles they face at home.

anonymous

If there is truly some sort of investigation in place against the PD and Clyde the Magistrate, please let us know where and how we can get more info. People probably have a lot to say. What Ca papers wrote articles? L

anonymous

The police caught the people who burglarized your house!! That's outstanding police work. You began by criticizing the justice system and ended the message with LHCPD catching three suspects. Make up your mind and "yes" this city has dirt bags. The difference is we catch them and punish them severely. We don't slap them on the hand like California does. Maybe we should let them go since our justice system is so corrupt??? You decide.

anonymous

its as "IF" the people in Havasu dont speed, are rude, act obscene? IF is way off base trying to make it look like only California people are doing anything wrong. The truth of the matter is everyone breaks laws in some small way. You cant HELP it. The issue is that its undeniable that Havasu targets California plates and the courts have never ruled against the cops. That is IMPOSSIBLE statistically in an honest setting. The problem is in this city.

anonymous

IF=former cop (most likely volunteers with local cops). Fine; The example of why the results are tainted are clear. 5 days of surveys. Only one day in Havasu and it had the smallest sample in the ONLY county/city consolidated court? Duh! California Family; That is good news! Its about time Havasu get cleaned up-Hope they relize that it will take FEDERAL action to clean it up becuase the Judical commission is run by Judges that protect each other. Maybe an embarrassing 30 million dollar lawsuit (each) will wake up the cops sicophants here.

anonymous

Why do you feel the poll's results were tainted?Because they didnt go your way,go cry in mommy's lap and maybe she'll give you a candy.

anonymous

corruption-IF you have read the previous posts, the people from CA think they are the only ones being given tickets for; indecent exposure, drunkeness, drugs, speeding or for doing nothing wrong. They think because they have a CA license plate, they get stopped and ticketed for doing nothing wrong in Lake Havasu. And they think that because they are from CA, they get treated unfairly by our justice system. They seem to think the police here are not up to "normal police standards." They think that because they have more money, than Az. people, that the police single them out and make them pay up front, instead of giving them a day in court. Then, if they get a day in court, they think our judges are too hard on them. They think no one with an Az. plate gets picked up for anything. I don't have an Az. license plate, have been here for 20 years and have never gotten stopped or ticketed. They think that Az. will dry up and die without all of their money. I don't know any police here, I don't know how they operate, but I do know that Cals drive too fast here, and alot of them are rude. We used to enjoy going for a leisurly walk and now I don't dare to cross the street for fear of being hit by one. Yes, I KNOW that they are from Calf, because I can see their license plate. Maybe L/H is laid back, maybe we like it that way. Maybe that is why we came here in the first place. If I wanted noisy, rude, nudity, speeders, I would have moved to CA. Maybe that is the reason we try to defend our town. Yes, our town, because we pay taxes here. IF YOU know that the town is corrupted, I hope you lead the way to change it and I am sure the Cals will follow. Do YOU want people to come here and corrupt LH, let them break the laws and get away with everything just to get their tourist dollars?? I personally don't think THAT is a good way to operate any city. Notice: I said: people, not just cals. GOOD LUCK!

anonymous

Yes we have alot to thank all the wonderful Ca people for.Outrageous land and home prices,the influx of meth and assorted labs making such,higher taxes and a lake[river] thats unusable by normal people on holiday weekends.I would continue but I'm getting sick to my stomach thinking about it.

anonymous

Finally we here that there is going to be an private investigation into the alligations of a corrupt court system in lake havasu city it appears that the courts have convicted two attorneys and a retired judge from california and nevada on trumped up charges this story is in the california news papers it goes on to state that with hard evidence,video,wittneses they were still found guilty i hope they fix this problem.for you california bashers our house was broke into by your local people with luck it seems the last havasupians it seems caught them in the act and they were arrested all three of them lived in the 86404 area so stop looking to blame californians when the problem is in your back yard

anonymous

well chet, shop owners along the channel, hotel workers, restaurant staff all depend on Tourism. The city factors in sales tax in the budget so anyone who does not want to pay more taxes depends on tourism. Less tourism means less full time people here. That means grocery store workers and department store workers need tourist. Without those people it means less need for health care professionals which means blue hairs will need to travel to Kingman to get to a hospital when someone steps on thier grass and they have a heart attack. Oh yes, and the police department and judges need tourist to make up charges against to justify thier jobs.

anonymous

I feel that the recent survey done by the state for the local courts was tainted. If you notice how the survey was done you will see that Havasu was done on only one day and the smallest one day sample was done. This was done, in my opinion, to scew the results because the state knows how bad Havasu courts are and is trying to cover something up.

anonymous

The question is not WHY California citizens come to Havasu. We WANT them to come to Havasu and we NEED them to come to Havasu. In fact we should THANK them for caring enough about Havasu to tell us why they feel they are not welcomed here. Just like any business appreciates customers who tell them when something is wrong with thier business we appreciate the our tourists telling us what they find less than welcoming about our city. The question WHY is WHY dont we the people of Havasu do something to correct what is perceived to be a corrupt justice system.

anonymous

Does anyone ,besides local bar owners,really feel the CA people are a need for LHC survival?

anonymous

to "Eugene", looks like all the whining is coming form AZ, not what you guys so called Cali's, believe me, nobody wants to go to hava-zoo anymore, had some work done on my boat in havasu, ask the shop to deliver it to me in needles, so i wouldn't have to go there!!!!!!!, will be the last time I spend a dime there. Thanks for all the info your local people are giving us, Cali's.

anonymous

Typical of my fellow Havasu citizens. When confronted with truths that are undeniable, such as we have a poor police force and those posting in favor of the cops here ARE cops, then attack the poster. Rather than attempt to fix the problem that is sucking the tourism dollars away my fellow citizens attack. We may not like to admit it but we have to have tourism to make ends meet in this city. The whole darn city was designed that way (ie we have a huge bridge brought here just for tourism). So wake up citizens, and those reading the posts here-understand that those who say "cops good-tourist bad and guilty" are cops and cops never cross the blue line. We regular citizens know how bad our cops are, how bad the judge is, how bad our council is for not doing anything about it. I dont blame you for taking your money elsewhere. I would too if I didnt have to live here due to obligations.

Why

cals, if you don't like it here, stay home. you never did answer WHY YOU care about what happens in Havasu. if you have a house here, sell it and go back to your wondeful drug infested, gay, muderous, gang filled state

anonymous

When you say your in law enforcement in CA does that mean you have P.O.?

anonymous

Slentzy,being a mall cop does not equate to "being in law enforcement",you must be the pride of the mall cops,Dillards is safe now.What a joke.

anonymous

The truth is Havasu cops are not bad. If you had a brain you would realize that it is very hard to get on with Havasu PD. They don't accept the ghetto people like the California agencies do. Havasu PD is a very professional agency. Your just jealous because you probably applied and got denied.

anonymous

Toni, funny you should criticize whether I can handle Havasu laws. The laugh's on you, as I'm in law enforcement in CA! My point was, as you so obviously missed it, Californians bring $$$ into LH, support many businesses and families, so why the negativity towards them? I don't break laws, especially on the channel or the lake. However, I've walked out of a not-to-be-named establishment on McCulloch, due to the rowty, low-quality patrons, all locals by the way, and not a single cop in sight.

anonymous

HECKYL,why are you such a schmuck.Admit it,the piggies in blue have ruined this city,time to move on.

joan

Its pathetic the way the Ca people try to blame the police for their own stupidity,watching to much TV?

anonymous

Breaking the law in Havasu is not a requirement to going to jail. all that's needed is a California plate on your car or registered boat. That makes you a target for cops to falsely accuse you.

anonymous

Havasu cops are bad. Its not a secret. They dont mean to be but we do not get the highest quality people in health care, restaurant help, office workers or COPS. Its just the way it is. So we are stuck with those who could not make it in other departments so our quality of law enforcement is going to be less than steller.

Richard K

I have a feeling that Local girl is a 70 year old retired male cop sitting behind the computer. I have been going to the channel years and while some people do act in wild ways I have seen far worse other places. The police do stop the occasional bare boob or underage drinker. If they really wanted to stop those things they could go into any bar in Havasu on a saturday and find locals doing it. However the real issue is not the rightful ticketing of those who break the law. The real issue is the false charges the police file against people to up the numbers to justify the expanded police presence. I have witnessed the police storm a boat then write tickets even when it was clear they stormed the boat by mistake and then find ways to charge the people to save the police department from being sued. Its a sad time we live in when the police can do this to a citizen and get away with it.

anonymous

Is there anyone from Ca that isnt a whiner?If you gotta break the law your going to jail,plain and simple.

anonymous

Slentzy,if you cant handle Az laws then why come?You paying your bills doesnt impress anyone,you see we all pay our debts but you want a cookie when you do,get a life.Az would do fine without Ca bucks,maybe it would actually slow down some of the unwanted growth of LHC.

anonymous

It is funny watching some of my fellow Havasu Citizens trying to fake comments like "local girl". As many of the ones who post as locals on this site have said in the past they are former cops or "cop booster" their opinions are tainted with the stink of blue. They wont cross the thin blue line and violate the commandment "thou shalt support and defend fellow cops till the end". Sorry to say but those who say that the local cops target California plates and boats are correct. I have worked in positions (cant say because the censors do not post when you are specific) in the city that I have direct knowledge of the unspoken knowledge that the police are encouraged to do this. I can tell you that I have spoken to people in the media who are also aware of this unspoken rule and would LOVE to report it but are dissuaded.

anonymous

I was in the Channel on Labor Day Weekend this year. I don't drink, so I was pretty aware of what was going on around me. The police down there were totally polite. The people that I saw getting into trouble were being totally obnoxious. They were taunting the police. They were caught drinking beer under the legal age. I was watching girls take their tops off, sucking beer bongs, and then getting into trouble when they told the police to go @$&% themselves. This was true of the guys too. The police weren't down there desperately trying to find people to arrest, and hoping that they were from California. They were trying to protect the rest of the public from rude, disgusting, ILLEGAL acts.

Paul

But you dont realize everyone who is arrested does complain,everyone is innocent,nobody does anything wrong,never have, never will.The police are always wrong,the judges are always wrong.The DA makes up all these allegations,the lawyers are always siding with the State.Get a life crybabies.

anonymous

Last I checked both CA and AZ were in the USA. That, at least to me, means any are welcome in either place and should be treated equally. Havasu, both the CA and AZ sides, are the closest fresh water of size to Southern CA. That makes it an obvious choice to visit, weekend, vaca, buy cheap property to store toys... Havasu is trying to change its rules. I won't say CAs are guiltless, but non-AZs are singled out for similar crimes where Zonies often get off.

anonymous

I would like to know "WHY" my fellow Havasu citizens are not able to see that the problem the California people are complaining about here is not legal enforcment of the law but police making up charges and judges wrongly convicting them to put money into the city. If the police can falsely accuse and the judges can wrongly convict then WHY are we putting up with it here? How easy would it be to do this to US here? I am very worried about civil liberties and you dont need to ask WHY.

anonymous

"Vic", I am not a Calif moron! I own a home in Havasu, as well as in So Cal. I just paid my $1400 property tax bill for my home, in Havasu. I bought a $100,000 boat from a local boat dealer last year, in Havasu. I pay $80 a month for pool service, in Havasu. I just spent $400 to have my boat serviced, in Havasu. We visit ten or twelve times a year, and spend on average $700-$1000 a trip. I support many businesses and families. Now, multiply that by the other California visitors, and lets see if you can make up the difference in lost revenue, if we stop coming?! People are STILL willing to pay high prices for gasoline, and travel to enjoy boating. Lake Havasu may be "X'ed" from the list, for other more enjoyable, hassle-free locations. You say we're morons, but looks who's calling the kettle black!

anonymous

hotels had a gain in Aug. hmmmm---did you cals come back for more?

anonymous

I am with WHY-WHY do you calfs care what happens in our city? Yes, we CAN call it OUR CITY, because we live here and pay taxes here! If you live here part time and pay taxes too, and you think you are being singled out because of your license plate, get an Az. plate. If it is really that bad-JUST DO IT!! if you think it is our judicial system, get off your butts and do something about it!

Why

Again; WHY do you cals care what happens in Havasu??????? IF we fall on our face, WHY do you care? That is all I want to know; WHY,WHY, WHY? care about your own city and put all of your "good intentions" there!

vic

I'm not sure Ca dollars are a must for Az.Lets try an experiment nobody from CA come to Az for say 5 yrs and lets see if LHC is still here.Ready set go,bye bye Ca morons

anonymous

"Paul" who posted a few days ago tell the tale. He says people who did not wrong-ie were not arrested-are not complaining. THEY ARE COMPLAINING!! THEY SAY THE CHARGES WERE FALSE AND MADE UP BY THE POLICE. STOP BEING IGNORANT. THE POLICE AND JUDGES ARE THE PROBLEM. HOW MANY TIMES DO PEOPLE HAVE TO POST THEY WERE FALSELY ACCUSSED. ARREST DOES NOT MAKE YOU GUILTY!!!!!!!!! READ THE CONSTITUTION-READING MUST BE A CALIFORNIA THING AND NOT A HAVASU ATTRIBUTE.

anonymous

The question is WHY do the locals keep biting the hand that feeds them? WHY do they cut of thier nose in spite of thier face? WHY do they tolerate a corrupt police and justice department? WHY do they allow the police and Judge to violate the rights of Americans? WHY do they keep posting items that suggest that Californians are breaking the law and deserve what they get when the case is the only law's being broken are by the the police and judge?

anonymous

Ah, but you will beg us. CA may not be a necessity for AZ, but it is a must for Havasu. The bridge was bought for tourism, tourism is the only industry here (unless you count snowbirds or real estate), and CA is the lion's share of Havasu's customers. Being an irritant to your best customer is foolish. Treating them different than locals is too. Why do you think locals are feeling the pain? You can't trade services with locals and make a living. The alternative is to learn something new, and that may be a stretch.

anonymous

People like DIANE are still to obtuse to understand that Californians ARE obeying the law. Your POLICE and JUDGE are arresting and convicting ANYWAY. This has NOTHING to do with BREAKING the law by Californian's. It has to do with FALSE charges being filed by HAVASUVIAN'S (POLICE AND JUDGE)

anonymous

lol....Censored once again! You guys suck! If you cant take the heat dont add a comment section to your media.

Why

If you cals don't like Havasu, WHY do you keep coming or want to come here? and WHY do you keep commenting on here about how bad it is and how bad you are treated. you reap what you sow.. If you don't like it here, don't come-We aren't going to beg you!

anonymous

pepperoni,you tell an interesting tale,all baloney,but riveting.

anonymous

You simpletons do realize you don't own the lake, don't you? If anyone "owns" it, both CA and AZ do. Is it fair to illegally tax the rich side and let the poor side roam free?! Stats like the above prove the case... Oh, and noBODY owns the lake!

tim

I think Cali's should all be deported to their ghetto of origin,few deserve to live among civilized folks

steve

Here we go again... another "Wade vs. Rowe" Debate. Original Havasu residents and those wanna-be grass roots types... What is the main economy in L.H.C. and what are the statistics on home ownership over the past 5 yrs? Without the money from Southern California, Havasu would be a GHOST TOWN! Do I like it? No I Don't. I live in Socal now but grew up in the mid-west. What I can't stand is the SoCal building influences in town. Now there's something to go after. That poor island is now going to turn into a "cookie cutter, hampster housing nightmare, where you can sit on your toilet and shake hands out the window with your neighbor sitting on his toilet... ahhhhh!" "Hey Joe, pass me the latest Sports Illistrated". My Point: Let the California money come in, but, take more interest on where it is spent." STOP HAMPSTER HOUSING! That's my campaign slogan... hahahahaha... just kidding.

anonymous

Lake Havusu city does have a dark and ugly side to it.The judge is a corrupt man and should be jailed. It's interesting to see two people one cute gal,one unshaved man standing before "Clyde",both arrested for the exact same thing.The girl,gets a small fine,and the guy,gets a large fine and two days in jail.This dude has ruined Lake Havasu City.A piece if c... that's the bottom line.Sorry to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. p.jr.

anonymous

Californians are not a necessity to the AZ economy,they need to obey our laws too.

anonymous

I dont believe the city for an instant when it comes to "tourism" being steady! One look at the channel on any holiday this last summer will show huge empty spots where once it was packed. Retailers give a much more accurate view of whats happening with tourism and they tell you by all the closed signs. The real question in my mind is why the city would prefer to be less than truthful about tourism rather than just fix the problem? All they city needs to do is replace ONE department head, the right one, the one responsible for the dispensing of justice

anonymous

The council should really start to take a look at the allegations of our guests. If they are telling us about problems or even perceived problems then its the reponsiblity of the council to address them.

anonymous

There are cases in Havasu where victims have submitted sworn affidavits that they lied. The courts ignored it and found the people guilty so the city could collect the fines! The city courts are mismanaged and justice does not exist in the city.

anonymous

I think the police should start with their own people. That's right, it's you Havasu people these crackhead losers belong to. It's hard to raise you kids from a bar stool at the local bar in town.This town would be the arm pit of Arizona if it wasn't for the lake and the people of California that bring their hard erned money. Further more, all you people that call yourself natives of Havasu obviously broke down on the way to California from the redneck, hick towns you come from. I work and know what kind of people live here.OC rules.

anonymous

Juat a heads up the local news papers in orange county and los angeles have stories about lake havasu and its court system and the way the police treat the visitors that go there, and it is not very good. word is also out in the local home depot and lowes here also. seems word is getting out that lake havasu is a place to stay away from and laughlin,bull head city,mead are now the places to go. alot of our friends are changing there plans now to go to other places.for those of you california bashers none of us drink,smoke,do drugs,nor have been arrested we all have familys and love the water but who wants to get harassed for doing nothing?

anonymous

Those of you who think our cops are just great fall into one of two catagory's. A) You are cops or a family member or B) never dealt with a cop here. I applaud those who want the police force to be above reproach and who are demanding reform in the current system of justice in Havasu. I cannot think of anything more important to civilization than trust in the law. Right now people who are reasonable and in thier correct mind do not trust the justice system in Havasu. Those of us who refuse to bury a head in the sand or do not deny reality know that the city must address the problems that start in the courts and flow down. Lets see if we can get quality qualified people for to head the departments.

anonymous

Vicki, make sure you mention that most of the injustice's have been done to out of towners who cannot attend the meeting, will not ever return to Havasu due to the experience but more importantly we are actively spreading the word to others not to go to Havasu until justice returns to Havasu.

anonymous

Why do Californians think their above the law?

anonymous

Paul,is correct .If you cant pay the fine dont do the crime,at least in LHC.

bob

Vicki, and the rest considering Havasu, get used to it. The intellectual capability/acceptance of the vocal folk here, or at least participating on this newspaper site, are/is not inspiring. And I feel sorry for any with a darker shade of brown... Funny thing is, I look out my front door and see peace/a nice place to live. Somehow, this site does not reflect that. My advice, try not to look at this site much... or convince this site to publish some positives about this nice town. I come from a larger-small town near San Diego and the difference in "news" is amazing. I can actually read that newspaper and feel good about my community. But then sex, pain, violence sells!

anonymous

To the greenspan wannabee who thinks that Havasu's economy is trashed and Laughlin's is great because of gaming. Hey brightstar, four years ago Havasu was doing great and Laughlin still had gaming. What has changed? Laughlin still has gaming, but Havasu now seems to have an unofficial policy of screwing over those with out of town plates.

Vicki

I do plan on attending an upcoming Council Meeting and speak under public forum regarding the issue I have previously mentioned. I will be checking on meeting dates for October & November to see which one I can make.. I will post date as soon as I figure out when I can get away from work to come up to Havasu. Anyone else that is interested should attend and speak at the same meeting but remember to have facts and documentation to present, it is far more affective than generalizing. It sounds like this has been going on a long time so passive complaining will not get results but hard facts should shake things up and get some notice.

anonymous

You must be a college graduate TK. Lets compare Havasu economy to Laughlin. Laughling has gaming and "yes" gaming is a big part of the economy. How do you think Vegas is able to build billion dollar hotels? Why does Vegas not have a state tax????? Gaming pays for it. Do some research before you post.

anonymous

Havasu is a very beautiful place. I would love to come back to Havasu sometime. I wont come back until the judge who found my wife guilty of public nudity is removed. We had video and 4 witnesses that testified that she took off her shirt but had a beige top on. The cops stormed my boat like it was normandy and the judge didnt even want to watch the video. Our lawyer told us that the judge would not rule against the cops but we thought with video and witnesses (one of the witnesses is a cop from California) we were ok. NOPE. I found out that the guy is hired by the city council and does not even need to be a lawyer-and that this guy is an ex-cop. Havasu is a beautiful place with a very dark and ugly side.

Why

Is is really Havasu's problem or is it cals problem. The reason that peoople from other states are reacting to it, is because the cals want them too. we all have a right to voice our opinion and how the rumors get spread, are evident. what I can't figure out is-why do the cals care what goes in in Havasu and why don't they just stay away if they don't like it here??

Paul

I dont see the people who obey the law complaining.Everyone who gets arrested has the "OJ" complex re; "I'm innocent,it was someone else,I was outa town,my dog ate my homework".GET A LIFE.If you wanna be the badboy ,be ready to do the time for your stupidity.

anonymous

Just do it: Those who have been accused FALSELY are letting you know with their feet. They are not coming back. Our tourism suffers as our reputation spreads. The city council members read this site. They CHOOSE to do nothing. My guess is that they choose to do nothing because they WANT the money from the wrongly convicted.

anonymous

If the reason Havasu's economy is bad how come Laughlin is posting record numbers? Gaming is not new so it can't be that. Maybe we need to consider that there is really is a problem? I have been reading this postings here for a long time. When a friend of mine from Washington state told me he heard about Havasu's police problem I thought I should post that. We have a problem right here in rivercity folks!

anonymous

I want to know why the council has not acted to solve this problem. The problem was well known to them for a long time and they went ahead and renewed the contract of the person is the head of the department without so much as a question. Is there some unspoken policy that allows the police and the city judges to collect money for the city from our visitors?

anonymous

Vicki, you are absolutely correct. I would like to encourage everyone to write the council to see if we can get some justice. Maybe what we need is a civilian oversight committee of the police department, but we also need some sort of civilian oversight over the court too. The thing to watch out for is that former cops or prosecutors should not be allowed to be on those committes.

anonymous

If you have written to the city gov about legit complaints of unfair arressts and got no where, all of you that have gotten tickets unfairly, ban together, pick a date to go to an open council forum and speak your piece. be prepared to have your tickets, statements, anything that is in writing, with you to defend yourself. It can't be "hearsay".There is safety in numbers

anonymous

crf-Havasu IS a good place to live; it used to be better until the riff raff came in-in other words, troublemakers. I think everyone on here is not hateful-if you think it is cals, browns,young people, boaters, than hey, maybe they are the trouble makers. and let me make this clear, no one said it is ALL cals, browns, young people, boaters; there are certain ones that make it miserable for everyone else. oh, you forgot snowbirds, taggers, murderers, druggies, skateboarders, ----

Vicki

The comments that your article has brought forth are interesting in the sense that so many "locals" have used it as a soapbox against Californians. As I stated in my comment on September 29th,I am a part time Havasu resident with a primary residence in San Diego. I have found that most of my Havasu neighbors and local business owners & their employees originally moved here from other states, many are from California. Most cities are made up of people who have migrated there from elsewhere. Looking at the gowth in the local Havasu economy it is evident that a huge influx of new residents and investors from elsewhere has helped the City to grow and thrive. To take a news article about Californians being the majority of holiday arrests and turn it into a bashing session is rediculous. I am all for a major crackdown on the out-of-control activities in the Channel and other areas of the lake. I agree that those who brake the law should pay their dues. I agree that the people who get out of control and cross the line of decency should be cited or in some cases arrested. But to think that all of the problems will go away if Californians quit bringing their business to Havasu is indeed very imature and ridiculous. We go boating on the lake at least every other weekend from April through October and over the years have met many other boaters from other states. Most are really great people who love the lake and Havasu lifestyle as much as we do. Many of them have brought their money and businesses to Havasu and made it their home which in turn has brought many new amenities to the City. It is time to quit with the bashing and get down to the real problem, unfair government and law enforcement. "Wondering" wrote that we should all ban together and take our complaints about unfair citations and fines to the City Council etc. As I wrote on September 29th, I did write to all of Havasu's governmental agencies, they just don't care or respond. I will not give up on this as it is not a "Cali" issue it is an issue of poor government and out of control law enforcement mis-using their positions. I also encourage others to write to the appropriate governmental agencies and "do something about it" instead of just complaining.

anonymous

First, I must thank the moderator of the portion of the website. You seem to be much more fair and open minded toward posts. Secondly, I would like to comment that people should be more willing to listen to OUR CUSTOMERS-tourist. Like it or not every single job in this community is in one way or another tied to tourism. If our police department and Judges or whatever are looking to make up crimes and convict innocent people then we better look to change that because if they do it to visitors they are doing it to us locals too.

anonymous

I will have to admit that I am not some Macro-economic geru but I would think that if the economy is bad here and all over the city and its people would try HARDER to get people here not insult and fleece the ones that do come? I know that I have lived in many resort towns due to my work and guess what? When you live and die by tourism you MUST take the good with the bad. Most successful places let the tourist alone as long as they are not hurting anyone else. From reading the posts here its the city policy to accuse people of crimes to get the courts to shake them down?

anonymous

As a Californian in the process of building a house in Havasu on a lot that we own, the comments posted here and on illegal immigration are truly frightening. We've engaged a very nice local Havasu home designer and a builder, but are wondering about the attitudes of the rest of you. You seem to hate Californians, young people, boaters, brown people and lord knows who else. Is this really a good place to live?

anonymous

Hey "rivercheetah".....just an FYI. Do you know the SOLE purpose of Lake Havasu? It is not recreation, fishing, or anything like any of you narrow minded people out there are assuming. Lake Havasu was created for the SOLE purpose of providing WATER to Southern California! Now, who has the last laugh? Don't believe me? Check it out! Additionally, if everyone out there would just grow up, stop talking out of the left side of their mouths, and realize that no matter where you go, there are rules. And no matter how many people frequent those places, you will always have those who appreciate what they've been allowed to enjoy, and those who have total disrespect for those who have created that environment for them. So which category do you fall in to?

anonymous

JJ, Thank you for saying what's needed to be said in "layman's terms" for all those too blind to accept it.

anonymous

JIMMY, I think you missed my point. I love Havasu. I just wish that it was the way it used to be. with the influx of more and more people moving here, it is bound to change. That doesn't mean that we have to let it change for the worse. If you are one of the problems-than maybe You should move!

anonymous

Fakename: You may believe as you wish. I usually scan the local website of any area I am visiting. With Havasu recently in the news I checked out the local paper as we plan our vaction for next spring. The newspaper is naturally one site I would look at to find the facts. I came across this thread and then asked around at the local boatshop where I live here in California. I was told from others in my area that the reports of police and townspeople dislike of those of us who visit your area is very true. I do not know why you would find it so that so unbelievable but your attitude does reinforce the reports I have gotten about how people in Havasu dislike people with California tags. I will do anything to protect my kids and that includes not letting them into a town where the police are looking to fleece them. I wont take them to Mexico and now Havasu. Before you ask why I am back? I was hoping for a response from the locals that might prove what I have heard and read wrong. Instead you have shown me I am absolutely right. I will be taking my family to another lake or river community where we will be treated fairly and welcomed. Nobody like dollar signs painted on their backs especially by a police force.

anonymous

Hey "Checking out Havasu" nice try...nobody is buying your story. If you even were worried that your teenagers would be put in jail then YOU are the problem not our police. I actually think you're fake anyway. Who goes to a place WITH their family and is worried about their kids going to jail ? Sweet logic -- nice try....Citizens and Tourists just need to thank our police on the way out of the city for protecting them -- save your bad attitudes for your children or hometowns: where you probably foster the negative environments that cause problems in ours!

jj

In response to what Jerry said yesterday, "Cali people stay home ,we dont like you here," I must say that this has got to be one of the most closed minded ignorant things I've heard so far.

One, Havasu's economic income and stability is based solely on tourism. Retail sales have dropped by large numbers in the past few years. I've had several shop owners/ managers tell me that their retail sales are down 30- 40% this year alone. Every person that works and lives in Havasu bases there lively hood on the money that comes into this town via tourism.

Second, to make a blanket stament about Californias such as this is both ignorant and closed minded. Most Californians that come to Havasu are here for a fun, safe time. There are the few that are not, but I have seen locals guilty of some of the same things.

anonymous

It dosent matter where people come from they are going to drink (of age or underage)and its not just havasu that has the problem it everywhere. so to say that californians should stay out of havasu is stupid because they bring most the money to this town.

anonymous

the audacity of the people in Havasu to accept criminal type activity from people with badges and black robes at the expense of law abiding tourist who come to your city bringing the money your city needs to survive is incredible.

anonymous

The gall of these Ca people amazes me

anonymous

"moblike' your name says it all

anonymous

To Sooner; You hit the nail on the head, thats what I do all day, very smart,Ha Ha, and as for me staying away, don't need my kind there your right, you only want the crack heads that live there. And see how much money they spend there, or should I say, steal from you.

anonymous

Cali people stay home ,we dont like you here

anonymous

I am so happy that I decided to check into Lake Havasu before my family visits. I worry because I have a teenager and if the police are only a tenth as bad as reported on this board then we will not come within 50 miles of Havasu. I cannot take a chance that your town is looking it pad its books by throwing my kids in jail in hopes we will roll over and pay a fine to get out of Dodge. The locals who write on this board seem to have some deep resentment against those of us who live in California.

anonymous

"wondering" Why dont you just wonder yourself back where you came from you obviously dont like it here

anonymous

rivercheeta-do you know how ignorant you sound on here. My bet, you don't have a job, lay around and play games on the net or t.v. all day and rub your fat beer belly! We really don't need your kind here, so stay in Needles-OMG-who would WANT to even go there??

anonymous

We need even greater enforcement of laws and judges that aren't cowed by assinine lawyers.Maybe they'll get the message this isnt Tombstone of the old AZ.

anonymous

Wondering why it would do any good to complain to a council about being from out of town and being arrested on false charges that the judge finds you guilty when you walk into the court to fill the city coffers? They will really listen like the mob boss who listens to you complain about his thugs beating you for extortion money.

anonymous

Terry and those like him must never have had a run in with the CHP. Laws are vigorously enforced in California. The difference is that the CHP does not MAKE UP out of thin air knowing the local judge will convict you. In California we are use the living under the CONSTITUTION of the United States.

anonymous

I think it was "local" that said it-Havasu isn't the same place it was 6 years ago. No, is isn't. We started coming in '85-liked what we saw. didn't hear about murders, illegals (maybe they were here but we didn't see them), robberies, drunks, bare asses, drugs and everything else that is going wrong here. So, we bought a house here. Then came, was it "girls gone wild?" Gave the town the reputation, that anything goes. So more and more people started coming and doing whatever they wanted. Until it got so bad, the law had to crack down. Now, whose fault is that?? We used to be able to take a nice walk, along the street, if there was no sidewalk. Now, you hardly dare to go out of your house for fear of being run over. whose fault is that?? If you are concerned that your daughter will get a ticket, maybe she is doing something wrong. If Havasu is so bad, why do you stay here?? I would rather pay higher taxes, without the revenue of out of control people! and be able to feel safe and enjoy Havasu again. Maybe all you people that have had undeserved tickets, should ban together, go to city hall and demand a change-or just keep bitching about how rough you have it. For every action, there is a reaction.

anonymous

To event promoter, Thank you for considering going to other places, went to hava-zoo once for a special event, will never go again for one, unless you do move it elsewhere, now that Shane has opened his mouth, one more reason not to go to Hava-zoo, don't need to go to a city with people like that living there, will steal you blind to keep his crack-habit going.

anonymous

Nexxus is correct about the Judge. Let the police do their job. Arresting people. When the court appearance comes the judge shall instuct them as to the law and why the arrest violated constitutional and/or civil rights. We had a judge about ten years ago that actually went by the written laws and statutes but you might imagine the police didn't like that because it made their job a little more difficult do in part that they would need to learn the rights of the citizens of this great country. Revenue was not as high because not everyone was found guilty. The judge was not re-elected and we got the equivalent of Boss Hogg instead. Being arrested does not make you guilty except in Havasu.

Terry

Its true LHC isnt like before,namely the laws are being enforced something most Californians arent used to.

anonymous

Hey this is great, seeing all the neg. feedback about hava-zoo, thats why we all go to Needles and to the Mojave area, so why don't all you hava-zoo'ns just stay down river on the lake, and dry up like your town will soon, cause we don't need you guys up here, making it a zoo for us, been going to the area for 25 years, now the secret is out and everybody wants to go to needles area, why would anybody want to go down to the sewer dump, you havaz-zoo'ns say piss on us Cali's, well we got something for you, guess where all that water goes from needles? Hope you think about all the comments you are saying on the sight. Just a thought. Have a NIIIIIICCCCEEEEE swin in the lake. HaHaHa

anonymous

Havasu, love it or find someplace that actually obeys the constitution.

anonymous

Wow.... great to see the attention this article has received. It's brought up many issues, and stirred emotions. Whether you believe the reasons for a heavy crack down by law enforcement and the courts in LHC, or believe people are being treated unfairly and tourism is being driven away, there are serious points to be addressed. One, Havasu has been branded with the bad reputation for the way it treats it's citizens and guests. What should be done about that? Two, tourism is dropping steadily, and several regattas are now being planned in other towns as well. Three, without the revenue from "guests" in our town, we'll all suffer greatly. Without visitors, how long do you think our town will survive? We have a home in Havasu and CA, and the last two years we've seen LHC slowly dying, and not due to an Amoeba!

Local

I LIVED IN LAKE HAVASU FOR 4 YEARS NOW.I HAVE HAD MY SHARE OF BAD THINGS HAPPEN.I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW.BUT I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF THINGS GO ON AROUND ME.THE STORYS YOU HEAR IN THE STORES AND AT WORK.THERES ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON.THE FACT IS ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS THE LOCAL POLICE HANG OUT IN PLACES TOURIST ARE.THEN PRINT IN THE PAPER ABOUT IT.ARE WE ALL SUPRISED.THERE ARE A COUPLE GOOD COPS IN HAVASU BUT IT IS SAD HOW MANY YOUNG KIDS LIFES THEY WILL DESTROY TO PAT EACH OTHER ON THE BACK.BELIEVE ME ITS NOT HARD TO GET ARRESTED IN HAVASU.SO KEEP IT UP COPPERS YOUR REALLY MAKING A NAME FOR YOURSELFS.MAKE THESE KIDS GO TO CLASSES AND PAY FINES AND COMMUNITY SERVICE.THAT WOULD REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENTS.SECOND OR THIRD TIMES SLAP IT TO THEM BUT NOT THE FIRST TIME THEY HAVE EVER BEEN IN TROUBLE.THE COMMENT ABOUT SAVING YOUR KIDS YES I GET YOUR POINT IM A MOTHER TO BUT SOME OF THIS KIDS ARE JUST HAVING FUN AND ARE NOT OUT TO HURT ANYONE.IT IS REALLY EASY TO FIND YOURSELF IN TROUBLE IN THIS TOWN.ALOT OF LOCALS WONT EVEN GO OUT ON A HOLIDAY FOR THAT REASON.HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU CHILD WAS IN COLLEGE AND WENT TO HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH FRIENDS AND COME HOME ON PROBATION.THEN THEY CANT GET THAT GOOD JOB THEY WERE WORKING HARD TO GET AND YOU KEEP PRAYING THEY WILL GET ALSO.IT IS ALOT EASIER THEN YOU THINK.SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET MAD ABOUT MY COMMENTS BUT GO SPEND A HOLIDAY WEEKEND DOWN OUT THE CHANNEL AND YOU MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENT.TO ALL YOU PEOPLE COMING TO VISIT BE CAREFUL OF THE THINGS YOU SAY AND DO BECAUSE YOU COULD END UP IN JAIL FOR A WEEK OR TWO.HAVASU IS NOT THE HAVASU SOME OF US KNEW 6 YEARS AGO.GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE AND MAY YOU KEEP YOURSELFS SAFE NO ONE ELSE WILL.

anonymous

I've heard the salinity of the lake is up because of all the crybaby Cali's blubbering about AZ laws.PITIFUL!

anonymous

Vicki, its too bad that happened to you but you are not alone. Many many many people have experienced the same thing. Some jackbooted types will say you deserved the ticket but do not sweet them. They are ignorant of the issues and will not learn until they are unfairly accused. Others who have experienced the same type of thing. Unfortunately its all about the money for Havasu and the citizens dont care that the the system is designed to favor the crooks in black robes.

anonymous

LHC is a nightmare dont go there,especially if you expect special treatment like mommy and daddy gave you.You Californians make me sick,stay home where its all warm and cozy.

anonymous

Its really only malicious prosecution when a carolina DA or Havasu is involved.

Vicki

We are part time Havasu residents, closer to retirement age than party animal age. Have been coming to Havasu to enjoy boating for almost 30 years and plan on living here full time in the near future. I have not had a ticket of any kind in over 30 years, on the water or road. I am no angel but do respect the laws and rules. On Sunday morning of Memorial weekend we had another couple on our boat, the female needed to go ashore at the south end of the channel. As most boaters know, on a Holiday weekend you cannot get to the shore in the channel. We pulled into a no mooring area about 3' from shore and she got off. As I was backing the boat out, two Havasu City Officers brought their boat up to mine, turned on the lights and made me pull to shore. I got a ticket with a $300.00 fine for "overnight mooring" in the Channel. I tried to go to court but I received my notice of court date (in our mail in San Diego) the day I was to appear. When I protested and wrote to the courts to request a new trial date and ask for appropriate notice my request was denied. I have written the Police Chief, no reply, I wrote a letter of complaint to the Mayor & City Council and the City Manager no reply. I just saw this article and all of the comments on line. I have been involved in City government for a very long time and I must say it appears that the LHC police and courts seem to have a system that almost guarantees high revenue for the City. Based on the response I have received from the Council and City Management office, it appears that they support such actions. I am still fighting to get my day in court but I have a strong feeling that even if I do I won't get a fair hearing. Revenue for the City at any cost? The public needs to get involved and look into what is going on here!

anonymous

If you think Lake Havasu is living under law and order then you watch tooooo much TV. Go sit in the court sometime and remember you are INNOCENT until you are PROVEN guilty. Pretend YOU are the one on trial and see if YOU feel that is how YOU want to be treated. THEN go to ANY OTHER COURT in this county and see how THEY treat people. You will be amazed at the difference. That difference is having someone who has passed the arizona bar as in all other county courts, and someone who retired from the police force as in Havasu. Those of you who call yourselves law abiting citizens would be appauled by lack there of in the court of Havasu city.

anonymous

To those who want to see less california tourist here. You are already getting your wish. Soon, as your taxes rise or services fall, tourist business close then business's supported by those local dollars close. It has been a real pleasure pointing out this website to others who boat on sites across the web. Between your (lack of) justice system and your lake health issues I dont expect you to see many tourist return. I look forward to spending the thousands I used to spend in Havasu up in Lake Mohave area. I know that many of my friends feel the same. You locals are just so darn friendly I cant wait to never meet you.

anonymous

hECKYL,U R PROBABLEY one of those little piggies..right?

Why

Promoter-What kind of events do/did yoou have in LH?? Maybe they were too wild for most of the population and that is WHY people are staying away

anonymous

You people that cry about how bad outsiders are making your town.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070928/ap_on_re_us/killer_amoeba this amoeba might just be your blessing in disguise.

Bobo

A few less californians would do us all a favor

anonymous

ever notice its only "malicious prosecution" when your involved?get a life,,,,hopefully about 200 mi. west of here.

anonymous

Ronald is correct ,Ca, residents are more trouble than their worth.

anonymous

I think you Cali tards watch to much TV ,where the cops are crooked ,the judges are on the take,and your lawyer finds some fantastic legal loophole where you and OJ skate away free and laughing.Real life aint like that,at least in the normal 49 states.

anonymous

Finally it seems that some people are starting to get that Havasue justice is the problem. Judges who have no business on the bench, hired by a council looking to make money off the hard work of our visitors are at the center. Once we start asking the city to just give the people rights and protections endowed to us by our creator we will see more people come. Havasu should be among the city's that have a proud judicial system and not be burdened as we are now with disgrace and shame of being known as a place only interested in "speed trap" justice. Judge Roy Bean would have no place in today's world as the current system in Havasu. Lets all join together in demanding that the constitution be upheld for everyone. Begin at the top of the local justice system and reform the city court then the police will understand that the accused can be arrested but they are innocent until proven guilty and tourist are not easy marks to fill the city coffers just as we in Havasu would not want to get an UNJUSTIFIED (as in you are innocent) ticket on vacation elsewhere.

anonymous

Incinr8 I think the point of the article is to point out that Havasu gains lots of fine revenue for the courts by malicous prosecution of out of towners for the financial benefit of the courts here. In the last city buget, the depart head-called the magistrate-bragged that his court collects for revenue in fines than any other court in the county. Look it up in the city budge which you can view oneline

anonymous

Hey Californians, if you dont like the heat, get out of town and stay in cali where you belong. The city had to do something so me and my family can enjoy the lake without my little ones seeing bad things in public. Grow up and maybe you will be welcomed.

anonymous

Norm has a child like view of the world. The real world is that cops here are working with no restraint and seem to feel at liberty to violate the civil rights of visitors (and maybe locals) at alarming frequency. This discourages ALL visitors as those who are not under any desire to break a law are charged with crimes and cannot expect a the local courts to uphold their rights because the local courts convict upon police accusation.
It is impairative that the residents urge the local council demand that the city courts uphold the rights of U.S. Citizens. Not "special" treatment or let them get away with anything. Just uphold thier rights and ensure a fair and impartial trial. Its not happening now and the city is suffering and soon the citizens will be paying for it by way of more taxes to make up for lost revenue of tourist who will go to other local venues that do not violate thier rights and falsely and the key word is FALSELY accuse them of crimes and wrongly convict them.

anonymous

Norm, if they were "the best" the last place they would be in in Havasu. There are far better paying and lucrative police departments out there. Face it, it is very unlikely that you will find "the best" of anything in Havasu other than the view. That especially goes for the city court. The funny thing is that it does not matter if your police are the best or not. All that matters is that your city court has someone who is willing to give fair trials. So really if you change ONE person in city government you will see a much better police force when they know to give people the rights in the constitution because the courts insist on it. Until that ONE person is changed to someone who has passed the bar you will see tourism decline and NO HOPE of coming back.

anonymous

LHC police are the best!

anonymous

To address the comment that our decision was made off what has been written here and in LA is wrong.We take total revenue,ticket sales,attendance at every event we hold.and it shows a major decline in not only money but in attendance to our events, so again we are here to make money and sorry to say that Lake Havasu is just no longer that place. dont get us wrong we all here love Lake Havasu city and its wide range of people but it seems something has changed in the past year. also this year we as you know have specials at certain hotels in town for the event attenders and this also showed a decline in the bookings and reservations in these hotels. We have been doing this for over 18 years and never rely on what people say or write negative to determin where we hold an event.so in closeing we here hope that there is a change what ever it might be to better the lake attendance and get Havasu back to the good old days for the young and old to enjoy.

anonymous

the REAL piggy that is the problem are those retired ones who sit on the city's bench and dont know what it says in the constitution about a FAIR trial.

anonymous

If you don't own a boat, there is nothing for tourists to do here anymore. Most came to see the bridge and shop in the stores-with all that gone, what's a tourist to do??

ronald

HHC is a skidmark because of the ca trash.but once the garbage is taken out it'll be like new

anonymous

where is your home located "johnsoni jr"?i'm in the market.

anonymous

DJP and other like him will not understand until they are on vacation and get arrested for obscene behavior even when you didnt. You go to court with witnesses who say you didnt but the cops say you did so the judge says "pay the fine". I am sure you will tell all your friends not to vacation there. So do the folks who have visited Havasu. See you in the rap sheets.

anonymous

LOL, 66% were from Ca over the weekend and you all cry how bad people from Ca are.How many are from Ca the rest of the year? Whats the total for the whole year? It should read "95 percent arrested during the whole year were from Lake Havasu" Look at the big picture people, People from lake havasu commit the most crime there. Dee Ta dee....
Loo

anonymous

For the past month I have been reading the comments to this news story. Some are very amusing, others are just sad. It seems that people want to blame the Californians, the police or the city law makers. There is an adage that goes 'instant A(dam) H(enry), just add alcohol'. Here lies the base of the problem. Some people live this adage to its fullest. Everyone has the right to party (I think it is written in the Constitution) however, it does not give anyone the right to place the lives of others at risk. That is exactly what someone is doing by getting drunk and going out on the lake. As a long time river rat (Parker strip), I have seen the best and worst in people. The river around Parker has been known as "Blood River" for all of the deaths and serious injury. The majority being alcohol related boating accidents. I never have and I never will go on the water on holiday weekends because the Adam Henry affect is in play. The life you save could be your son or daughter.

anonymous

Havasu Piggies are killing this town.I wish my house would sell so I can get out of this Shi. hole of a town.

anonymous

DJP, the problem with your statement is that we ALL agree that those who break the law should be punished. The problem is that your police department MAKES IT UP and your COURTS RUBBER STAMP IT. There is NO opportunity to defend yourself from FALSE accusations. That is why the tourists are leaving. It has NOTHING to do with the laws other than the abuse of power under the color of authority that many tourist feel is going on.

anonymous

You folks crack me up, what’s with the Cali bashing all the time give me a break how many Havasu Natives are there if fact most of you doing the bashing are probably from jurk water USA.
With out Cali Havasu would be a skid mark in someone’s under wear DON’T FOR GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

anonymous

Event Promoter,
If you are truly an event promoter then you should be smart enought not to take the comments that are posted into consideration when planning your event. The cry babies on this forum are the same ones that end up in jail on holiday weekends because they act a fool.

anonymous

djp must be one who missed school the day they talked about the constitution. You are innocent until proven guilty....but here in havasu the constitution never mattered as much as the fine money. It will be interesting to see what happens when the tourist are gone and the judge needs to fill the city coffers by convicting upon accusation the locals.

anonymous

Roddy, according to the tax dollars people are leaving as you suggest and nobody is filling the void. Think again about being rude to our visitors.

anonymous

Jake Laughlin has had Casino's long before Havasu had a bridge. If the tourist are running away from Havasu now then something is wrong now. I suggest we check into the courts and why Havasu is getting a reputation as run by a judge roy bean.

anonymous

i can't wait for the winter visitors come back to town and see all our 'new' laws. i can just see them after a day of fishing cruising through the channel flashing everyone, cussing up a storm and causing havoc. Won't they be surprised! Get a grip and remember summer buddies, if you don't do the crime you won't pay a fine!

anonymous

Why do Calif. come here?They have dozens of great lakes and hunreds of miles of ocean coast line.If your going to come please stop the flood of tears when things dont go your way.

anonymous

It seems like the editor just stops posting responses on the stories he wants to die so they will drop off. I guess it does not matter to the paper of Havasu if the tourism trade is in serious trouble and what needs to be done to correct it. A police department in trouble with police department heads being relieved, a serious problem with the reputation of Havasu amongst visitors, an odd preoccupation among some who post to "get the california" boaters, and a justice court that really just is not interested in justice but is interested in "collecting more fines than any court in Mohave". All those things do not matter to the editor?

anonymous

After reading all the comments in the news papers in Havasu and in LA I am sure this is going to start a change in our event planning.Already we are looking into other places to hold our events on the water.Bullhead City,Laughlin,Mead are on the table for 2008.We are sorry to see the decline in people at our events in Lake Havasu but we are here to make money and again sorry to say Lake Havasu is no longer that place.Word is out the the dirt bike and jetski championships are looking for other areas also.Seems odd that Havasu was the place to be and work but now times have changed and so it seems the people have also.with the decline of tourist and event revenue at lake Havasu in general it is time for the change.I was also informed that 3 regattas are now moving to Laughlin next year.

anonymous

I think we need a bigger jail,one like in Maricopa county with a similar Sheriff

anonymous

Thats ok 'cali boater' we wont miss you there are plenty of others to take your place,bye bye

anonymous

"Cali boater",your in Reno for a bike rally discussing LHC,you must be the life of the party,,,,try to make your story believable huh.

anonymous

Nexus open your eyes, Laughlin has legal casinos we have none.

anonymous

I am up in Reno this week for the street vibrations motorcycle rally. Speaking to many people here and those who know havasu agree that Havasu is not a place those who have gone will go back. To those who say that the economy is to blame, its a record crowd here.

anonymous

Maybe if the California-ites dont like Havasu policies they can just stay on the Cali side,it is half yours remember.

anonymous

It seems to me that the people on this board would be much more productive in discussing why Laughlin is increasing its tourism dollars and Lake Havasu is dropping. There must be a better response to those who say that unfair enforcement is the reason than to say "cops good, visitors bad". Maybe we need to explore the reasons that Havasu is getting such a bad reputation rather than just deny it is. Replace the city judge and I expect we will see major changes in how vistors feel when accused.

anonymous

If the lake is the Parker strip, a lot of the locals don't go on the water on big weekends. Not all of the boats with Az. registration are local, some are frome other parts of Arizona and some are owened by cali's.

anonymous

I live in Parker, my family gets to enjoy the lake all the time.The Police do an excellent job with the manpower abd resources they have.I think the complainers are the ones causing the trouble on the lake and want the laws eased so they can go hog-wild.

anonymous

I am tired of the ranting about the cops doing their job-if you were a mechanic, would you not fix a car because it belongs to a CA? No, you would fix it to the best of your ability-that is what the cops, teachers, etc.

anonymous

There is a reason that the police in Havasu are in Havasu and not in jurisdictions where they could get far more money. I am all for cops that are fair and courts that are fair. That is why I am not for the local cops and local courts.

anonymous

Hilty you go girl!!!

anonymous

The waterborne cops in Lake Havasu on most given weekends patrol the lake like jackbooted thugs. They are focused on arresting the least defensible offenses and not the most dangerous to public safety.

As a performance boater and a Californian I am disgusted at the insinuation that the same jackasses getting rolled up for excessive drinking in the channel are the same ones driving the boats. They aren't, in almost every case. Note that the vast majority of arrests were for underage drinking, disorderly conduct and public intoxication... Seems OUI wasn't in that batch...

The OUI count was so low in fact they didn't even bother posting it.

Start patrolling the launch ramps. Start enforcing OUI laws and start checkpointing drivers on and off the water.

Oh.. and DILLIGAF is right, Phebus is right and RD Sux.

anonymous

I don't visit Havasu but a couple of times a year as I prefer to stay up on Mohave. The police need to enforce the rules/laws that are handed down to them. If there is a problem with the rules it needs to be addressed to the ones who vote to implement them. The police are only doing their jobs. Occasionally a cop will go over board but for the most part they don't.

As far as the slams on Californians....There are very few people in LHC that were born there. It is not a CA thing but a criminal thing regardless of where you are from. No need to mud-sling on CA. Get the criminals locked up and monitor the rest all you want. A close eye on things is probably a good idea but action is not required until a law is broken.

DILLIGAF is always right :)

anonymous

LTL, if the ecomony is so bad why did Laughlin/Bullhead city report and INCREASE in summer business including the holidays?

Everyone is happy to see the police enforcing the law. What Califonia people do not like is the police targeting those tourist from out of state. Enforce the law evenly and fairly then give us a fair trial. Until we can get a fair trial we will continue to go to Laughlin and Lake Mohave.
I wanted the people of Havasu to have a chance to hear why your doing so poorly. I have relieved your of ignorance its up to to live in apathy.

bernie

My comment was intended to be "tongue in cheek",I am very pro-police.

anonymous

Quan, Open your eyes you tard, the majority of crybabies are from AZ.

anonymous

Ya Bernie, your really intelligent. Lets ban the police and fire department and legalize drugs. You would be walking around with your tail between your legs if the police were not there to protect you. Get an education or get out of our town!!!!!!!!!! Better yet, move to California.

anonymous

I dont know why you Californians come to Havasu if all your going to do is cry-cry-cry

julie

I was at Havasu the weekend after Labor Day and I was thrilled to still see law enforcement out on the water in full force. We were not breaking the law, racing boats, running down jet-skiers or people in the channel and our driver was not drinking...guess what, did we get stopped by the police...NO! We weren't calling attention to ourselves because we were actually abiding by the law...hmmmm, that's a novel idea AND, guess what, we're Californians! I think that most people out on the lake are just there for an enjoyable time with their friends or family. Unfortunately, when reading these posts, there is a large number of people who apparently still want to drink and party out on the water and if that's the case, you DESERVE to get pulled over when you're acting like an idiot! Stop being big babies and blaming the cops, you're the one who puts yourself in that position, on or off of the water! People, let's stop grouping all Californian's into one stereotype!! If you were to take a poll of the citizens of Lake Havasu, I'll bet that at least 50% of them are former Californians!! I have witnessed one boating accident where two people were killed on the lake and the recent death of the little girl at Topock is from California - all alcohol-related. Until people...ALL people, not just Californian's...stop acting like IDIOTS which is 90% created by alcohol or drugs, this will be a continual problem EVERYWHERE! Give it time, those of you who say Lake Mohave, Mead and Bullhead/Laughlin are more lenient and accepting - when it turns into a continual Spring Break year-round like Havasu has become, they too will crack down - then where will you go? We stay on the California side of Havasu, so I can't speak so much for what happens in the city of Havasu, outside of the water, but I do know that I felt so much better out on the lake seeing the amount of law enforcement out there, just their appearance gives off the idea that they are there and watching out for all of our safety. Until you see or know of someone who is critically injured or has lost their life on the water due to a careless accident that was not their fault, most of you who are complaining about the beefed up law enforcement just won't GET IT!! The cops are just trying to take control back of a city that has a lot to offer to everyone but if that means it becomes more family-oriented because many of you have something to fear from the cops, good riddance, I'm sure the good citizens of Havasu are happy to see you go!

anonymous

All you people who wants the cops out of here...are quite frankly a bunch of idiots. You all must be the one contributing to the delinquincy. The reason no one is in Havasu is because THE ECONEMY IS BAD!!!! Gas prices are high, people are loosing their houses, and acting like idiots on the lake is no longer their primary concern. The last major holiday the majority of people checking in to hotels were families. Maybe they didn't come back because their kids were in school. Blame it on the cops all you want....I thank God for them. The only ones who complain like I said are the ones doing the crime.

anonymous

Anyone that writes that drug or drunk money is GOOD for Havasu, has to be high or drunk, so we excuse your opinion, because your brain doesn't know any better. One good reason that tourism is down is beacause there is nothing to do or see here anymore. The EV needs to be fixed, to draw familys here. What ever happened to the owner, going to step up to the plate?? No, famlilys, don't want to bring their kids to see the drunks and druggies-unless you drink and do drugs in with your children present-in which case we have another generation of drunks and druggies.

anonymous

I'm behind the police 100%,and believe they should enforce the laws to the fullest extent.

anonymous

Bernie is right of coarse, we should continue to pass laws that affect almost no one and have no victims all the while taking resources away tracking down drug dealers, thiefs, and stopping people by jumping off cliffs. Seeing a naked breast is much more harmful to youth than seeing someone jump off a cliff and hit the rocks.
In the meantime Havasu will continue to get a bad reputation by all those bilked by the Havasu court systems so nobody, including familys, come here.

bernie

I'm with MD!!Lets ban the police and all city services.Fire dept too .EMT's who needs 'em lets go back to the old days of Tombstone.I know lets be the 1st city in the USA to legalize sales of all drugs.No age limit for liquor or beer consumption!Come on just like the good old days.

anonymous

The local goverment must stop an look at the numbers of vistors that we are loosing due to stupid laws they continue to pass! We must have vistors to survive in this town! We have lost the home town welcome to these vistors!
Our local Goverment has made this town a police town, with more stupid laws that will cause our vistor to go else were! Let get back to our Lake havasu City roots! Let the vistors have some good old fashion fun! To many rules are bad for everyone! This is not a retirement home! It is a place for all to have funs, work and to raise a family! If chances are needed maybe it should start with the local goverment?

anonymous

Why are so many people concerned about the California's coming here when we have murders running around our town. When no one does anything on their own to "police" inappropriate actions on the lake or in the stores or anywhere. We have local residents that speed down the residential streets without concern. We have boat drivers running over people and getting away with it when there were witnesses around (why didn't someone follow that boat that ran down the jetskier?). There is a heck of a lot of much more important issues in this town than whether or not we like or dislike Californians.

anonymous

Most of the people here moved from Cali to get away from Cali. We don't care about your beer money you spend in our town. Quit driving drunk, polluting our lake, and acting a fool on the lake. The only gang bangers I see all year in Havi is on holiday weekends (Californians). You have destroyed your own liberal state and it won't happen in Arizona so don't even try. We wont miss you if you decide to stay home next season.

anonymous

You might think small stuff like swimming in the channel is not a big deal. When little Johnny or drunk Danny gets prop chopped for jumping in the crowded channel after a football, then it's the cops fault for not having an ordinance. But, the cops are "pigs" for taking footballs away from drunks in the channel. Take the blinders off people. Don't like it, go home. We wont loose revenue because once the drunks leave, family oriented people will fill their spot. Thank you to LHCPD for putting up with all the chaos and making our town a safe place to live. You guys are a very professional department. Keep up the good work. I hope the arrests go up next season.

anonymous

I got an idea- Let`s hate the local cops for enforcing the law and laying the hammer down on holiday weekends? LHCPD does an awesome job despite having 1,000's of drunks on the water and in the city. Give them (drunks) an inch and they WILL take a mile. They need to be strict on the small stuff to keep your non-appreciating self safe. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, GO HOME!!!

anonymous

I grew up in this town and I sit back and wonder why it has gotten so bad? Its not "californians" its certain ones yes but its also certain havasuvians and certain ones from other states....instead of bashing why doesn't all the ones who love havasu and want to see it improve stand together and do something about it... police do need to spend more energy on our drug problem but anyone who shows their stuff in public should expect to get in trouble too....but everyone griping and blameing isn't going to fix havasu. For those californians who said their not coming back well then don't...thats your choice...

anonymous

Why all the talking ?Please do us a favor and go somewhere else.

doc

You Californians have had it your way to long.I'm glad the police are enforcing the laws to the fullest

anonymous

Until the city of Havasu makes it legal for me to smoke joints, drink absinthe, and masterbate at the wheel of my boat I will not be bringing my family there. It sounds like your cops are corrupt, your residents are re-tarded, and you opress the use of controlled substances. I thought Havasu was a party town???????

anonymous

I wish all you people would just leave Britney Spears ALONE...

PS. DILLIGAF is right.

anonymous

People like Tia would prefer to live in ignorance not knowing there is a problem until the cops show up at the door because they need to justify thier salaries by making arrests. Not that Tia did anything wrong, much like the people the police now target, its only because the courts need to be in the black instead of dispense justice.
Did you know that the head of your magistate departs BRAGS that the courts in Lake Havasu take in more money than any other court in Mohave?

anonymous

Drain the Lake! The tourists will leave with their wallets full, local big industry will pick up the city tab.
!$@ %#& !% @$#! !#@%$!!… we can’t “float the boat” alone? uh… uh… Mr. Nexsen, quick… call across the pond, see if anyone’s interested in buying a bridge!

anonymous

"OUR lake" as in YOURS because you live in Lake Havasu City? Last time I checked Lake Havasu was the boarder between California and Arizona.

Get a clue.

anonymous

Huh, I just noticed that Lake Havasu is just as much connected to California as it is to Arizona....imagine that.

PS: Dilligaf should go back to Mojave and Phebus is my hero.

Lisa

jack on sept 11 is right. wake up we all came here from somewhere else. those of us that have to work in this town depend on money from california people, from the retail end of it to the commercial money. i wou;d rather see the police control our local meth problem than bite the hand that feeds us for showing there breasts and blowing off some steam. the local people can share the lake why not stay home on the 3 major holiday weekends that seem to get us all riled up. besides california people are getting tired of paying our high price to have a good time the revenue is falling and i hope everyone will not be sorry when they take their money elsewhere.

anonymous

in the begining we all came from somewhere else. don't worry Havasu people we will eventually run all those fun loving california big spenders out of Havasu (cause getting arrested for showing your ???? ain't that fun) and then we will all have to move away because who will bring revenue into this town!!!! didn't you read the articale????

anonymous

well when your boat only runs 63mph set on kill what else are you gonna do?


;-)

anonymous

If places like Mojave are the "place to be",why even read the LHC paper?Please go to Mojave or Bullhead or anywhere else ,just get outa here.

anonymous

Instead of just crying about everything do the obvious about LHC,DON'T EVER COME BACK.Somehow we'll survive.Take the tears elsewhere I'm sure your be welcome.

anonymous

Police are more than welcome to enforce the laws, but enforce them fairly and equitably. Dont target boats that have California on the stern. And when you do enforce the laws we expect a court that has more than a Havasu version of Boss Hog in the black robe to decide if the police did the job the right way. Did you ever see Boss Hogg give a verdict against his Sheriff? You wont see it in Havasu either. My family and I will not come to Havasu again until you stop putting a bulls eye on our wallets.

anonymous

Someday maybe we RESIDENTS can enjoy a safe holiday weekend on the lake. Remember this you out of staters, its OUR lake - you just visit here. I'm sure you would not like us throwing beer cans in YOUR front yard, blaring OUR music so loud your cant hear, and copping big bad attitudes in your face. Obey the law, have respect for others, and act responsible. What is so bad about that?

anonymous

Duh if they came from Cali. they aint locals,they're criminals[ok that was a joke]

anonymous

This town is going down hill.There are police and then there are pigs.95% is the latter in Lake havasu city.

anonymous

where ever you hail from-lets just all start over and make Havasu a community to be proud of-none of us OWN LH-we all originated from another city-there are good people and bad people from CA, MN, ND, AZ, NV, MO, and all over, so we should not put blame on one state. The blame goes to the individual! I too have good neighbors and bad neighbors-what can you do? The bad drive down the price of our property even more. The cheaper the housing becomes, the lower the life moves in. Guess we have to wait it out and hope we can sell, for at least what we pd. for it. sad, so sad, to know that what we once loved and enjoyed has become a bitter taste in out mouth, because of people with no values and morals.

anonymous

This is why many people leave California, and many choose to stay. If you can live by our rule, don't come. It's that simple.

If tou come here anyway and can conform to the rule, expect to be punished. Expect the Max in Arizona

anonymous

Well....this is one more californian you hava-zoo locals dont have to worry about. After being harrassed for noise on the water, and coming back to the truck to find its been broken into....or having the stereo & equipment in the boat ripped off from in front of a rental house...i assume tweakers. I finally gave up and go anywhere but hava-zoo. In my opinion the police need to put as much effort into the drug problem, thats ruining hava-zoo, as they do for the major holiday's.

phebus

DILLIGAF is right, Mohave is the place to be.

anonymous

I'm astounded that people get mad when the police enforce laws.Its pretty simple dont act the fool and you wont encounter the badge.

anonymous

Hello, we have a home in Havasu and love it.We also pay taxes and donate to all your local fund raisers.For all you people in Havasu bashing Californians you should look at the money the we bring here, last I looked 63% of the homes in Havasu are owned by Californians though we do not support stupid people(and they are in havasu also)it is nice to know that the police are doing there job.Next time you want to bash a California make sure of the facts and check the monthly arrest and ticket records in your town this might supprise you to see that 93% are from lake havasu city not from California,we love havasu and plan to retire here in a couple of years,it would also be nice to know who the california bashers are in Havasu and what stores they owne so as we would not want to burden them with our dirty Californian money.For those of you that are our neighbors in Havasu thank you for the warm welcome you give us every time we meet.

anonymous

Problem is most locals here came from California!

anonymous

Its too bad that some members of this community are like lemmings to the siren song of the police and courts of this county. They will not understand there is a problem until its too late.
A justice system that is not checked by a skeptical public is an invention to tyranny.

tom

As John pointed out, Florida is the Sunshine State. California is the Golden State. I suspect neither of them can come close to the amount of sunshine in Arizona.

anonymous

It seems that the doomsayers about the police were absolutely correct about the effect the crackdown will have. Family's like mine will not visit a city where there is no justice.

anonymous

bashing Californians.. what's new! think we don't have a police beat when they're not here? i moved here from California 30 years ago and couldn't get the attitude from the then locals regarding Californian's. I just tell them I'm the one waving good-by to you when your going back to the rat race.
Chill out and be thankful we've made Havasu what it is today. Love it or leave it.

Debbie

Well Shelly...the police and city officials SHOULD pat themselves on the back for a safe weekend. And hopefully the people that were "having fun" or being arrested will not come back. They needed to crack down on all the crap that happens in this town.

anonymous

Hey "Local Cop" I'll trade you 2 glazed donuts for a Boston Cream! You know you wanna do it! We should build a wall around Lake Havasu City and only allow 'select' people in based on resume, credentials and background references. Then have the fire marshall set a limit to how many people can occupy our city at one time and only allow more people in as other people leave. vote kill-9 for city counsel!??!

anonymous

I'm from Cal and, I own a house In AZ bought with Cal Money$. I pay my property tax with CA. money, my utilities w/ CA money, when I’m in town I buy everything I need with CA money! I’d be willing to bet that most people that have moved to LH got there gold from the Golden State and brought it to AZ. You’ll be happy to know I don’t go out on amateur weekend because of all stupid people, and haven’t for 10 yrs. Before that I’d been a few times on amateur weekend and dealt with all stupid people, and dealt with all the Over enforcement as well. I found that the law enforcement swung too big of a stick and were disrespectful and just plain mean and rude. So now I go when everyone has gone home and the Johnny Law as blown the budget for the year.

anonymous

to wake up! reading your comment tells me your the loudmouth drunk. wake up and put the beer down. after writing down your comments, PROOF READ!

anonymous

Unfortunately there are bad apples on every tree. We need to look at the whole picture, and how we ever got to this point, before we lay the blame on one particular eliment, or group.

Havasupians have been enablers for years, we created our own monsters. We are allowing things go on in our own fair city, that should be nipped in the bud by our "own people". Let's get real.

LHC resident

I am well aware of the problems that exist here in Lake Havasu City, and I am also well aware of the fact that we have locals that cause a large percentage of the problems in our city. I have lived and worked here for seven years, and I cannot believe the things that are allowed, and the problems that are swept under the political rug. Before my husband passed away I lived in the RE area, it was so peaceful, well kept, and friendly. I sized down and moved to the central area of the city. Anything goes here in this area, my neighbors do anything they please, and no one cares, there are no rules here. I might add these people that I speak of are locals, not Californians, however I have many Californians that live near me, and they are friendly, clean, and caring about their property and the contribution that they make to the neighborhood by keeping their property neat, clean and to code.

Too bad we all couldn't have learned the values that they were raised with.

anonymous

I see alot of people putting california people down, I would like to see how many of you are truely from hava-zoo, would like all to say where they are really from. I now live in Redlands, Ca, but born in Carlsbad, NM. how long would havasu last with no outsiders coming in.

anonymous

Actually, it WAS more peacful in Havasu before the Cals came. We noticed it a little more each year. The loudness and esp. the FAST driving. (we know they are from Ca. by their license plates, dah)We don't have a sidewalk by our place and we are afraid to walk down our street or even try to cross the street. It is esp bad for children. There is no place in Havasu that you have to hurry that much for. I know people "get used" to one life style, but you can change. Relax a little and let everyone be safe.

anonymous

its not safe out there anymore? yes, I am sure Wyatt is afraid to assulted by all those bare breasts. Gimme me a break. I am sure glad they are out there making the channel free of breasts instead of catching drunk drivers, burglers and drug dealers in the nieghborhoods.

anonymous

Reading the post from the local cop makes me afraid for justice system in Havasu. He states very well how the cops are just interested in Job security. Not Justice, just keeping up arrests to justify the numbers. So good people of Havasu, is that what you want? Of coarse it is until you become someone the cops need to arrest for "job security"

anonymous

I'm proud the police and the judges are finally doing something about all the craziness on the lake.Its not very safe out there anymore.

anonymous

66% of the arrested where from California because that what the numbers show. I want anyone to show me how you can tell a loud mouth drunk is a Havasuian or California? Our police and sheriffs only focus on the problem and once the ticket book or cuffs come out they find out where the arrestee is from only when they start the citation or booking process. There's plenty of white trash in Havasu that I would love to see go away.

boomer

Last I heard they were going to change California's nickname to "the crime state",but "the illegal alien state" was a close second.

anonymous

Reminder - while you shouldn't break the law regardless of where you cal home; some of the posts here sound like they would like all the tourism to go away. -Aren't a lot of the city's revenues based on tourism. Law Breakers should and shall be punished but lets not dump all of our out of state vistors into the same pot. Truth be told - most people who come to enjoy our wonderful city follow the laws and respect our city. Yes a few don't but they are the minority and not the norm.

anonymous

I wonder why people are complaining about the boats on the channel having what they call bad behavior yet they say nothing about an outdoor dance club on the same channel that is replete with even more obnoxious behavior? Maybe because the boats are owned by california residents and the club is a owned locally and provides taxes and jobs?

anonymous

Good God people, Who Cares?

anonymous

I use to be one of these "out of control" party people. Can't speak for anyone else...but I use to do it because I worked 12 hours a day, seven days a week at one of the many defense contractors in California. So I used the holiday to blow off stress. Now I'm disables and live here full time, and run into those same people practically every weekend. I guess my point is...living here in LHC is a blessing because there's no stress. Living in California is so stressful, I can't believe I survived it for all those years. As long as they show us (locals) respect when they're here...especially driving. I stoppped counting how many times I slammed on my brakes when being tale gated by a california license plate.

anonymous

Ok thats it .I'm from California and I'm sick of it.I'm outa here.Lets go who's with me ?We'll show these un-appreciative Arizonans who's boss.Lets go.I'm ready.Set.Well maybe next time.But I'm really gonna go back to CA,,,Yeah sure I am.Eveyone is waiting for me with open arms.

anonymous

The report says 60% of arrests were underage drinking.Yet some dimwits say the" poor,poor merchants".Dont you people see their creating a whole new group of drunks and trouble makers by selling to minors.Wake up people.

anonymous

I am a local Police Officer and I read all the rants about the California people coming into the area and causing all these problems. Well I say bring them on it's just job security for us.

anonymous

It is hard to believe that in today's world someone could believe that only those who are going to break the law should fear the law. I guess you didnt read the story out of Georgia today where a cop arrested a food server because the cook put to much salt on a burger. yes only those who break the law should be fearful lol. The facts are that the founders of this country had to fight for freedom from authoritarian autocrats who controlled the means of justice. The same as we must today in Havasu.

anonymous

I hope all of you who wrote negative things about people from California breaking the law never break the law yourselves. I would love to be the first person who talks to you after you get a speeding ticket, or better yet, how about all the people from LHC that appear in the crimes section of the paper. I guess you all want it to where if one person commits a crime, they should leave town for good and never come back. Lets be fair and apply it to the people who live in LHC too. It is important to be consistant.

anonymous

Sorry to see the censorship by the forthright, truthful Pioneer. There was a recent post by someone that really put it out. I see it is gone. I cant remember everything in it, I have been saving these posts so in a year they can resurface throughout the community, you know to rekindle the flame around election time. I wasn’t able to save this post though. I believe the “poster” mentioned someone’s name at the end of the post, so what! But the rest of the post was excellent, pretty much cut through the smoke screen of Hal fighting for raises, COLA “RAISES”, things like that. COLA is NOT a raise, a raise is something in return that shows us employees that these idiots appreciate us, and that is apparent that they don’t! we are a dime a dozen, or in the infamous words of Mean Gene, “Hey if they don’t like it we will get a Mexican to do the job.” I wonder if his Hispanic constituents are aware that he feels that way. To me that is saying that “Mexicans” have a sub standard expectation from life. Borderline racist if you ask me. If you are of Hispanic decent you should call ole Gene Fisher and ask him to comment on his reasons for his condescending comments. Im sure he will be truthful and explain why he would say that. We all know that wont happen though so all Hispanics should spread the word and not vote for this fool anymore. And Hal could care less about his people, that’s the bottom line, PERIOD! Yah HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Havasuaz

Katherine..in case you haven't read a few of the articles about Havasu, one which was in People magazine, the slant on the stories was about how Lake Havasu is a "meatgrinder" because of drunks and fast boats. Perhaps some people don't come because they are afraid of the lunatics drinking and driving. I know I don't put my boat on the lake on holiday weekends. The only people who are afraid of the laws are those that intend to break the law. Good riddance.

anonymous

It doesn't matter where the people come from, it is where they are going that is the issue. Havasu has always been known as place where you "can let it all hang out" Most people are there for a couple of reasons on the real busy 3 day weekends. One is to show off their boats, show off their women or they are there to see all of this showing off being done by everyone else and party.
Being a river rat for 40 years I have seen this all take place in front of my eyes. As far as the DUI's "You do the crime you do the time" No if buts or ands on that one....Boats and booze do not mix....

John

To Tony

Last time I checked Florida was the Sunshine state.

BILL

Aaron is 100% correct.Many people believe because they have some money,or Daddy does, they can get away with anything.Money doesn't buy morals.

anonymous

Kurt, that is the same old tired song about "it could be that last time they see their family" Well guess what? If you are falsley accussed of a crime by a cop who knows the local judge never rules against them it maybe the last time YOU see your family!! And you did not volunteer for nor are you getting MORE than the average pay for the area!!
Get real. The problem is NOT the cops, its the JUDGE!! Get rid of the guy who allows the illegal busts and you will see better law enforcement!!

anonymous

The Citizens need to support the local Police and the Sheriff department. When they go to work and say by to their wife and family that could be the last time they see them. The are here to protect the people of Havasu. I am sure if you needed an officer for any reason then you would appreciate them more. If someone breaks the law then need to face what they did wrong. If you Do not like the laws then contact your City Council, Mayor or your State Rep. They are just doing a job to protect you.

anonymous

Wow, I think some of you people are forgeting that these "Californians" are not just random innocent people sitting on the beach minding their own business. These people are getting as drunk as they can and driving their boats around the lake at high speeds. They are walking down the walkway at the beach as drunk as can be picking fights with people. They are a walking time bomb. Shame on the police for trying to cut down on INNOCENT people dieing by the hands of these people. How can people be so mad about trying to make it safer down there? Look how many people have died at the lake this year. If the police cracking down on the drunk idiots saves just ONE life, then mission accomplished. You don't want to be harrassed by the police? Don't be a drunken idiot in public! It's not that hard to understand. The police aren't arresting random people who aren't doing anything wrong. The homeless guy looking for food in a cooler isn't as big of a deal as a drunk idiot ramming his boat into the side of mine at 80mph and killing members of my family. What good is it going to do to arrest a homeless guy looking for food?? That's not going to save lives. It's just going to cost tax payers money putting him in jail and it's not like he's going to pay his fines! If the actions of the LHCPD scare you away, then it's probably a good thing you're not going to be on our lake. Innocent people have nothing to worry about, excpet the not-so-innocent people the police are after. If you can't handle staying sober and in control on yourself, you probably shouldn't be out on the lake anyways.

anonymous

THE BEST PART ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING IS THAT ONCE THEY CHASE EVERYONE OUT, THEY (COPS) WILL HAVE NO ONE TO KEEP IN CHECK-THEREFORE NO NEED FOR THEM, THEREFORE, THEY CAN REDUCE THE FORCE, THEREFORE, NOT AS MANY TO PATROL IN THE NON SUMMER MONTHS. REMEMBER WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND

Paul

I say get rid of the drunks and punks, we dont need dallars from them when the family or vacation element would bring in the same money. Its unfortunate that Havasu now being on tv has a perminent label and will now attract more of that element.
I hate hearing this nonsence about the drunks and punks and there dallars, we dont need them dirty dallars!!!

anonymous

You should send your reporters to high school. The "sunshine state" is Florida! California is the "Golden State"

anonymous

Anyone on this post over twenty years old? Don't think so. 60 arrests were "minor in posession". Why do they come here to "party"? Simple, in Cali they would be spending jail time and many hours of community service for these offenses.

anonymous

All of you elitists who believe because you have a couple of bucks in your pocket ,that we should bow to your lawless whims---GET A LIFE.I live in LHC and I vote . I think the police are doing an excellent job,but then again I'm not a drunken felon.

dave

Some of you numbskulls amaze me.What are the "special"circumstances that need to be attended too,before arresting drunk drivers or druggies.Thats exactly why there problems like this in this country,evryone has their "special" excuse or circumstance.

anonymous

Send all these lowlifes back where they came from.Break the law go to jail ,its simple.Dont like please go elsewhere.

anonymous

Dave is right, I mean why give any thought to circumstances? For that matter why even worry about the formality of a trial? Just have the cops shoot poeple on the beach when they see something wrong!

LHC resident

The LHCPD are a bunch of can't make it anywhere else, mad 'cause they can't do it policemen. Be careful if one is your neighbor. Don't piss 'em off or you'll start getting all kinds of notices, tickets and a bunch of ordinances that never mattered will all of a sudden become paramount to our fearless lawmen.

anonymous

Everyone in LHC seems to forget how the money gets here. What percentage of local business income is generated by these "drunks & punks"? Go ahead and keep passing ordinances and try to make LHC a "non-party, family town". Good luck.

kim

We had a fantastic week-end at Lake Mohave. We're all law-abiding citizens in our 30s & 40s (with kids) from California and used to go to Havasu 10-15 times a year - we have been once this year and probably won't go again. We are all so tired of the constant harrassment by the cops, constant closures of the sandbar etc., its not worth it to us. We gladly spent our $ at Mohave & Laughlin and we're off to Parker in 2 weeks. The heavy-handed tactics that should be targeted for real criminals have successfully chased away the loyal visitors/tourists that Havasu survives on.

anonymous

I'm happy to report that I am part of the 34% of the "Californians" that did not get arrested & has never had a run in with the police. We have been taking our family out there quite a bit since 1996. Recently we purchased a home there and one day plan to retire there. My husband and I have made the sacrifice (if you want to call it that) to not drink and boat. I'm not going to say he wont have "A BEER" if we'll be hanging out in the channel for a while, but that is it (believe it or not.) We wait till we are off the water and safely back in our Havasu home. Personally, I think if the police really want to crack down on these "criminals" Californians or Havasupians, they need to spend much more time in the evenings at the launch ramps. If this deters boaters from drinking or even from coming to Lake Havasu, then that is probably one more life saved regardless of the impact on businesses.

anonymous

Yea I really feel for the businesses that cater to the out-a-towners.Lets educate the drunks and druggies.Lets worry about Havasu citizens for a change.If this kind of trouble laden people want a place to party let them go elsewhere!!!!!!!.

anonymous

obviously people agree with the city becoming a new type of speed trap devoid of any justice. Those who blindly think that people are guilty upon accusation by the police are not true Americans. Our constitution was written to provide people are innocent until proven guilty. With the attitudes of those mentioned, a city magistrate who is not a member of the Arizona state bar, and conflicted city attorney you have a receipt for this city being accused of being one of the most corrupt in the nation.
So go on an say "fine 'em" "good for the cops" ect ect ect. Nobody deserves the free ride including, or maybe especially, cops. Not that cops are not deserving of praise or respect.
This story embodies exactly what is wrong with the people here. Rather than demand the constitution be followed, they would rather accept blindly the word of the police.
Is it a coincidence that the police arrests go up for victimless crimes and hotel rooms go vacant, restaurant tables go unseated, inventory goes unsold.
It's so true that people will blindly applaud the police and courts for "getting the bad buys" without giving a thought to if the police and courts did the job right in the first place. That is until THEY are caught in the system because they were convient for the police to blame. Trust the system works? Hardly. Ronald Reagan said trust but verify. Is this not a good idea to do with the foundation of what keeps us free?

anonymous

The one thing not being reported here is how few Californians were in attendance for this weekend. So the while the police and city officials might be patting themselves on the back for a "safer weekend", the rest of the business owners who depend on this final summer holiday weeekend to push them through, untill the snowbirds show up, are suffering. Why not focus more on educating the holiday crowds rather than punishing them with more police and ordinances. How many do you think will come back after they or their friends were caught having fun???

anonymous

Once again Havasu reinforces the Tourist axiom of "come to havasu on vacation and leave on probation"

There is a serious problem with the justice system in Lake Havasu. Its great that the police arrest people who are breaking the law, but when it gets to the prosecutors office and the city hired (and not a member of the arizona bar) magistrate the system breaks down.

They city seems more intersted in collecting fees then in dispensing equitable justice. This is why Havasu is rapidly developing a reputation as a modern day tourist trap. It is a such a shame that Americans have to go to Rocky Point Mexico to be able to be treated fairly on a beach and cannot get justice in a court in the united states.

anonymous

Sounds like someone stopped taking their meds....

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