Trump boat parade

Trump supporters hit the water for a boat parade in Bridgewater Channel during the Memorial Day weekend last month.

Editor’s note: This article was produced by the Los Angeles Times. It is told from the perspective of Lake Havasu City, so editors thought it was worth sharing with News-Herald readers.

KINGMAN — In this dry stretch of northwestern Arizona, Trump campaign signs dot the desert landscape, and Trump flags fly from the backs of dusty pickup trucks.

Last fall, an event called “Trumpstock” outside the town of Kingman featured a Trump impersonator, a pro-Trump rapper and a menu of “M.A.G.A. Subs.” Last month, thousands of people blasted classic rock and circled Lake Havasu in a Trump-themed boat parade.

“This whole area is based around people who have the same thing in common,” said Alan Morris, a 36-year-old who participated in the parade. “God, guns and Trump.”

Yet now, as the nation confronts the coronavirus pandemic, an economic recession and mass protests against police brutality and racism, some voters in the longtime Republican stronghold of Mohave County have begun to have second thoughts about the president.

“He’s an embarrassment,” said Ron Kennedy, 72. “And I voted for him.”

A veteran of the Air Force, Kennedy said he had grown wary of the president’s blunt style over the last few years. But the turning point for him came this month when protesters outside the White House were pushed back by authorities so Trump could walk to St. John’s Episcopal Church to be photographed by news crews.

“It turned me off,” Kennedy said. “Breaking up a peaceful protest just for a photo op.”

Recent polls show Trump now trails presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden in the presidential race -- a reversal driven in part by the erosion of his once-commanding lead among white voters in battleground states such as Arizona.

To try to shore up support, Trump has visited the state three times in the last five months, including last week for an appearance at a Phoenix megachurch.

In Mohave County, a vast expanse of desert where 90% of the 212,000 residents are white and 73% of the vote went for Trump in 2016, there is still deep support for the president.

But he is facing new challenges here, such as assuaging concerns that he and the federal government have mishandled the coronavirus. The U.S. death toll of more than 127,000 is the highest in the world.

Four years ago, 57-year-old Keith Eaton viewed Trump as a refreshing change -- an outsider who didn’t speak like a politician and appeared to act based on his gut.

“I just wanted to see what would happen,” said Eaton, who told himself: “At the very least it’s gonna be a circus we can watch.”

But Trump’s novelty has worn off, he said.

“The lack of leadership with this whole COVID thing, the lack of respect for the professionals that do this stuff ... the last four months have turned me way, way more against him,” said Eaton, a firefighter. “There’s no way I would vote for him at this point. And a lot of guys I know feel the same.”

Eaton still expects Trump to win Mohave County, though by less of a margin than he did four years ago.

Sam Scarmardo, head of the Mohave County GOP, said that if people have been changing their minds on Trump it’s only because of “the left-wingers who are doing everything they can to destroy him and bring the country to its knees.”

“A lot of people think coronavirus was blown out of proportion to damage Trump,” he said.

Scarmardo said voters in Mohave County have a Wild West mind-set and are naturally drawn to Trump’s defense of gun rights, his disdain for government regulation and his vow to stop unauthorized immigration from the Mexican border, which lies 150 miles to the south.

In an interview in the back room of his Lake Havasu City gun store, where his four rescue dogs circled underfoot, he ticked off what he sees as Trump’s accomplishments: the rollback of Obama-era clean-energy rules, the movement of the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, new policies that make it harder for migrants to seek asylum in the United States.

“He’s gotten more done than the last 20 presidents,” said Scarmardo.

His shop, Sam’s Shooter’s Emporium, features a life-size cardboard cutout of the president by the front door and a bulletin board that looks like Trump’s Twitter feed come to life. One poster questions the legitimacy of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate; another compares the hijab worn by U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar to a diaper.

In the bathroom are copies of former first lady Michelle Obama’s autobiography _ whose pages are used as toilet paper.

Such unapologetic displays of politically divisive views have never been a problem here, said Scarmardo.

“We don’t get much argument,” he said.

And yet, a few weeks ago, a surprising thing happened down the street from the gun store. A couple dozen people gathered for a Black Lives Matter protest.

More protests were held in Kingman, about 60 miles away.

At each event, participants were outnumbered by counter-protesters, some of whom were armed with rifles.

Government officials who monitored the event said they were less afraid of looting than of the protesters getting shot.

The demonstrations ended peacefully _ and even sparked new kinds of soul-searching.

Retired police officer Jeff Page, 57, said the protests made him question whether racial bias had ever played a role in his own policing.

He concluded that it hadn’t.

“I did 28 years in law enforcement in Idaho, and I can tell you that there’s not one person that I ever worked with who wanted to go out and find somebody to kill or beat up,” he said on a recent afternoon at No Name Bar, a saloon in Lave Havasu City where he, his wife and some friends had gathered for beers.

“It’s been very painful,” Page said of the recent protests.

“It’s been horrible,” agreed his wife, Victoria.

He plans to vote again for Trump in 2020, but he said that his daughter, who voted for Trump four years ago, is undecided. She works for the local school district and is repelled by the president’s immigration policies that make life harder for Latino students and their families.

They have had conversations as a family about the topic, with Jeff arguing that illegal immigration is a law-and-order issue. But those talks don’t typically end well.

So the family came up with a solution, said Victoria: “We just don’t talk politics.”

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1502

Just look at this thread and you see what the con man Trump has done. A divided nation!! The world is laughing. You think you can compete with China, Vietnam, Japan, S. Korea in manufacturing a quality product for a good price. No Way!!! America the divided country. I am going to Costco to buy a new TV,

BigBob

In response to the spurious (aka - lie) about Jim Jones being a Democrat I posted the facts - as I always do - that he was a Republican. However the newspaper decided to censor my post - which is their right - so the truth disappeared from this thread.

HavasuGuy

Why? There was nothing wrong with what you posted that I saw... If was factual and it proved that Jim Jones was aligned with republicans later in his life...

BigBob

The impeached squatter in our White House has been responsible for:

1) Biggest stock market drop;

2) Highest national debt;

3) Most convicted team members;

4) Most pandemic infections in world history.

5) Use of military troops against citizens of the United States.

6) American’s being banned from traveling to Europe.

7) The deaths of 126,000 Americans.

Lemonade

And you didn't even mention his latest act of "willful ignorance" with regards to Russian bounties on our troops in Afghanistan. Absolutely shameful that any American could still support this traitor!

HavasuGuy

Lemonade, you are right but I have to say that there are some high level republicans that are asking some hard questions from the tRUMP administration, finally...

JVW

Leave it to a Democrat Socialist to bring up Crack. They're obsessed!

1502

Trump has always been a con man. Every time he went Bankrupt he said he was making so much money he could not count it. Always been a liar. Nothing new

Lemonade

Yes 1502, he has always been a con man and a narcissist, but I would argue he has morphed into a psychopath. Why else would he suggest people drink bleach, or put them at risk by holding mass rallies in the midst of a pandemic - other than to test the limits of his followers? It's almost to the point that I feel bad for the people who can't see through him at this point, and there are clearly quite a few of them left around here.

simon1dog

"Small cracks are easily patched!" - author unknown

HavasuGuy

simon - Is that another one of your questionable statements? Jim Jones was a democrat? HaHaHa, read some history before you stick your foot in your mouth HaHaHa!

Proudindependent

Guess Deaton forgot that trump confessed on tape to walking in on young girls changing and molesting women. Funny how short the memories are. Now tweeted a video of people screaming white power. He is a failure in everyway a leader could be. It is interesting that the paper interviews a guy who in the past bragged about being in the KKK, guess it goes with the mentality of the trump supporters on this site.

BigBob

Oh, rest assured the former cop (before the city had any standards ) didn't"forget" anything. If he can't attack or insult someone he has nothing to say.

HavasuGuy

Deaton? Is that guy still around? Don't hold your breath waiting for him to add anything of substance to a conversation... He has two other buddies that are die hard fans of tRUMP and the only thing they can do is attempt to defend tRUMP or throw out insults... Don't waste you time on them.

deaton

HavasuGuy [batman] I think you need to update your “T-blocker” to version 2.0.1, you seem to still be reading my comments? Is that still a “free app”? “T-blocker, really, I guess that’s your idea of “adding to the conversation”? What-A-Doofus [batman] C’ya[thumbup][tongue] Deaton

RESIST

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1502

Trump is a horrible leader. He thinks and says he is the smartest guy period. His Generals all the say he is a liar and bad for this country. Trump lied to keep himself out of the military 3 times. He has divided this country. A leader brings people together. Trump will go dow in history as a liar and con man. Remember Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Remember when Trump said he was going to have a new medical program. Remember we was going to solve the opiate drug problem. Remember when he said he was going to bring down prescription drug prices. Trump the con man.

BigBob

And that is just a short list of his lies. Thanks - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

RESIST

His latest lies, "he didn't hear the guy in Florida yelling 'White Power' " when he retweeted the video and "he was never informed by his Intelligence people that Russia paid Taliban fighters to kill American military personnel in Afghanistan." He is such a liar! How anyone can even consider voting for this vile creature is amazing to me!

HavasuGuy

Either he's lying about not seeing it, or he just tweets anything he wants without checking it. Either way, that's not what any American should expect from the president...

Escapee

In the LA Times, the original headline to this article is: In ‘God, guns and Trump’ country, simmering doubts about the president

Escapee

The removal of Trump from office should not be dictated by party lines. He's a danger to the country.

The fact that so many Republicans are coming to his defense, speaks volumes.

RESIST

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HavasuGuy

Escapee - I certainly hope that these republicans defending him will pay attention to some of the republican leaders and what they are saying about getting rid of tRUMP...

HavasuGuy

Cracks are beginning to emerge across America from some in President Trump’s base, let alone here in Mohave County. Top conservative republicans are working together to remove tRUMP from office, spending their own money for commercials warning Americans about tRUMP and what he has done to America.

Top insider republicans are even saying that tRUMP himself will probably drop out of the race because he can't stand to lose and he is beginning to see the writing on the walls...

HavasuGuy

On today's news headlines;

"Trump in ‘fragile’ mood and may drop out of 2020 race if poll numbers don’t improve, GOP insiders tell Fox News"

Mr Lemons

HG - Spreading lies are you? Here's what Fox News actually reported:

-Rough polling stretch has GOP operatives asking: COULD Trump drop out?

-Some GOP operatives are WONDERING if the president could drop out of the presidential race if his poll numbers don't improve.

Unnamed "operatives" using the words COULD in a question and WONDERING. Using the word "MAY" gives it a totally different meaning. Please give me a link for your "quote."

HavasuGuy

lemons, I cut and pasted the headline to the story - didn't change a thing. It appears you're the one lying... Here's a couple examples, if you need more just let me know...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-2020-us-election-drop-out-fox-news-republican-a9592036.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-in-fragile-mood-and-may-drop-out-of-2020-race-if-poll-numbers-dont-improve-gop-insiders-tell-fox-news/ar-BB166ZWa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSf-NcZC_MM

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0PTEgaSb/trump-in-fragile-mood-and-may-drop-out-of-2020-race-if-poll-numbers-dont-improve-gop-insiders-tell-fox-news

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hi3adm/trump_in_fragile_mood_and_may_drop_out_of_2020/

Mr Lemons

You're sharing Democratic false narratives to sow doubt. It a common political trick to demoralize the opposition that you gleefully participate in. The truth be damned.

HavasuGuy

And you seem to have your head stuck in the sand, ignoring the facts right in front of your face, if you'd open your eyes...

RESIST

[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]

Mr Lemons

Those links do not provide what Fox actually reported.

RESIST

The Lincoln Project (Republican) is running some fierce anti-trump ads on television!

HavasuGuy

RESIST - I've actually made donations to help them air those informative and honest ads here in Arizona - they are great and produced by republicans!

monicaphill

Objective D.- It is the left that is violent,disregarding ANY laws. The cancelation culture is bit by bit trying to bring conformity to America. Perhaps totalitarianism is the wrong word, maybe Communism or radical socialism, doesnt matter, it is NOT democracy! They want a complete change of our country. Defund the police! etc. Trump may not be perfect, but the left doesnt mind destroying our country just to get him out!

Objective Dialectic

So Monicaphill, you are saying all BLM proponents are democrats? Such a broad, overgeneralized statement is false.

Objective Dialectic

And again, If you will read my responses to your posts below, I am still waiting for some fact/proof you can bring to the table to prove me wrong.

HavasuGuy

Objective - You won't get any facts or proof from her I'm afraid, thanks for trying.

HavasuGuy

monica - I can just hear you condemning the patriots that fought the British back during our Revolutionary War... Your alarmist attitude would have been the same then as it is now. America needs change and recent events prove that.

RESIST

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Escapee

Defund the police is a call for police reform, not getting rid of the police.

The left isn't destroying our country. Way to be overdramatic! The left is just tired of celebrating those who are offensive to black people.

It would be like having a statue of R Kelly or Jeff Epstein in downtown Havasu.

RESIST

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HavasuGuy

Escapee - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] Don't give them any ideas, I do not want a statue of Epstein or Kelly showing up now...

BigBob

Way past time to send monicaphill to the cornfield. Too much rabid nonsense with no actual facts presented. .

HavasuGuy

I think you're right BigBob, I'm putting her on my turd blocker list as we speak...

RESIST

monica, monica, monica, where do you get your talking points? Alex Jones?

HavasuGuy

RESIST - I think it really is Alex Jones hiding behind the name monica! I just put her on my turd blocking list so I won't have to look at her nonsense anymore.

mslem

don trump has been a liar, thief and con man his whole adult life, same as his father and grandfather. How anyone voted for him in the first place is incredible. Each awful thing he's done has made me think support would drop, but it hasn't...at least, not much yet. However, here we are, post tax reform, trump style. Now, I don't imagine too many of you supporters are multi millionaires. How do you go along with permanent, huge tax reductions for corporations and the wealthiest, while the average person got a paltry reduction, which expires in a few years. Who do you think he's working for??

Objective Dialectic

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HavasuGuy

mslem - You are correct and it is easy for anyone to see if they open their eyes....

BigBob

mslem - very well stated. Thank you.

RESIST

We all know what trump's popularity is about and it has nothing to do with anything good for America!

monicaphill

Part 2 of this post. They were fighting for their families and as a last resort. It was terrible, but there were atrocities on both sides. I am not going to change anyones minds on who they vote for, but I am truly afraid that the Woke PC culture and lawlessness will be the norm if the Democrats & their allies win.

HavasuGuy

No, we are just finishing the battle that was fought during the Civil War, getting rid of people who think it's okay to have slaves or are proud of the traitors that fought the United States and killed patriotic Americans just because they wanted to own other humans as slaves... That is what your relatives believed, owning other humans as slaves was okay with them and they were willing to kill other Americans to keep them, right?

monicaphill

What a ridiculous statement! First I had ancestors on BOTH sides as did most Americans. Secondly I hate slavery as much as anyone, but this is not about that anymore. The last 20years our universities and higher ed have been indoctrinating the kids instead of teaching any real history! They cant even tell what century an event took place in many times , look also at the many Union statues being taken down. And dont forget the "traitors" were Democrats!

HavasuGuy

So, the history they taught you in school was better? The traitors were southern conservative slave owners. To try and pin anything on a political party just further shows you lack of historical knowledge.

RESIST

OOPS! Looks as if you missed some of the History lessons! Union statues are being removed because those Union figures were slave owners! They do not deserve to be venerated!

BigBob

They were traitors and nothing more as they declared war on the United States of America and killed thousands of Americans. Traitors are traitors and that is all they will ever be. Liars, thieves, crooks and traitors ALWAYS have a "good" reason for being the scum they are.

HavasuGuy

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RESIST

[rolleyes]

monicaphill

I would like to just ad a few coments here. Yes, I am a Trump supporter, but up until the end of May it was still a regular election. Peaceful protest are fine, our right, but then came the riots, looting Chop zone and tearing down statues without a vote of the people. Some are even of Grant, Washington,Jefferson, Abolitionists,etc. The "protestors" are so ignorant they dont know any difference. But NO Monuments should be destroyed without a discussion. Also, one person mentioned the traitors. Have you every done geneaology? My family, and many others, happen to have had soldiers on both sides of the Civil War. Those on the Confederate side in my family were small farmers etc., no slaves. They were simply fighting for what they considered

HavasuGuy

monica - you can't hide the fact that the south was fighting to keep slaves, no matter what you write or who you are related to. It's time to do away with the confederate flag and monuments (built during the 1930 -40's) that glorify those slave loving relatives of your's.

BigBob

The only flag of the traitors who killed Americans that should be allowed is the White banner of surrender. And, of course, losers don't get statues or monuments.

HavasuGuy

BigBob - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

RESIST

[thumbup] Indeed!

deaton

Monicaphil, I’ve arguing with these delusional fanatics for over year now. It’s shoveling sand against the tide. Their hate is so ingrained and visceral! I do still trust in the American people and believe in November the correct result will occur? One only has to observe dementia Joe in action to realize he’s not up to the job! The other thing I’ve noticed that with all their hate and disparagement of the President there’s nary a word extolling the virtues of Joe B. and how he intends to do any better? That indicates to me that the Democrats could nominate “Bozo the Clown” and these “automatons” would vote BOZO! I fear for their mental health following the result in November! Have a good one! [thumbup][beam] Deaton

monicaphill

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RESIST

Democrats would not, nor could not nominate, BOZO, as he is already in the White House!!!

HavasuGuy

RESIST - Hilarious! [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

shutthefrontdoor

Uhhh! Don't look now "D" Bozo is already camping in white with Clarabelle and Mother!

BigBob

Anyone who had traitors belonging to the Confederacy who declared war on the United States of America and killed Americans should be shamed of that part of their family history and never peak of it.

HavasuGuy

BigBob - she did seem to be a little too proud of that, didn't she?

Escapee

Hey Monica, suck it up. Just because they were your family, doesn't mean they were correct. Meanwhile, we have statues of traitors and slave owners.

What about the black family who can trace their heritage back to the slave boats and where they were hunted in Africa? Their family was broken apart, sold into slavery, and now we are celebrating the slave owners. Is this something to celebrate?

Intersting fact: The slave trade is where rap music started (hip-hop=lifestyle, rap=genre of music). During the slave trade, black people would come up with memorable chants to help remember and teach their familial roots. These chants were often spoken in fields as a call to find family members.

HavasuGuy

Escapee - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] Interesting tidbit on the rap info, thanks.

I agree with you, monica needs to stop celebrating the slave owners and America needs to rid itself of the monuments to them and that damn confederate flag...

RESIST

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BigBob

In examination far-right politics, also referred to as the extreme right or right-wing extremism, are politics further on the right of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of extreme nationalism, nativist ideologies and authoritarian tendencies.

Over time the term has been used to describe fascism and Nazism, today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, Third Position, the alt-right, white nationalism, and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, anti-communist, or reactionary views.

The dangers of far-right politics can lead to oppression, violence, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing and even genocide against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group, nation, state, national religion, dominant culture, or ultra-conservative traditional social institutions.

Political scientist Cas Mudde states the far-right can be viewed as a combination of four broadly defined concepts: exclusivism (e.g., racism, xenophobia, ethnocentrism, or ethnopluralism); antidemocratic and non-individualist traits (e.g., cult of personality, hierarchism, monism, populism, antipartyism, an organicist view of the state); a traditionalist value system lamenting the disappearance of historic frames of reference (e.g., law and order, the family, the ethnic, linguistic and religious community and nation, as well as the natural environment); and a socioeconomic program associating corporatism, state control of certain sectors, agrarianism and a varying degree of belief in the free play of socially Darwinistic market forces. Mudde then proposes a subdivision of the far-right nebula into moderate and radical leanings, according to their degree of exclusionism and essentialism.[16][17]

Relying on those concepts, far-right politics includes but is not limited aspects of authoritarianism and nativism. Claims that superior people should have greater rights than inferior people are associated with the far-right, as they have historically favored Darwinistic or elitist hierarchy based on the belief in the legitimacy of the rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses. Regarding the socio-cultural dimension of nationality, culture and migration, one far-right position is the view that certain ethnic, racial or religious groups should stay separate and it is based on the belief that the interests of one's own group should be prioritized.

HavasuGuy

Yes, but the right will scream and kick saying that the left is totalitarian... It's very clear that the right is very fascist right now..

Mr Lemons

Big Rover - Nice cut and paste from Wikipedia. When you're stealing someone's work, please at least credit them. Otherwise, the unsuspecting might actually think you wrote this yourself.

deaton

“Plagiarizing” again rovR**? Kinda like your candidate Joe B. when he plagiarized a British politician, Neil Kinnock’s speech in a previous failed Presidential campaign in 1988? Wow 1988, gosh your guy is getting real old! But seeing his recent performances, that old age is really apparent, “Let’s go with Dementia Joe”! [thumbup][whistling] Deaton

RESIST

Exactly! However, I'm not at all certain the "right" understood a word you posted!

HavasuGuy

They can barely spell their names let alone understand the truth...

shutthefrontdoor

It is a repeat but fits with this topic. . . . Gun ‘N Roses slammed the draft dodger and his response to the coronavirus pandemic with a t-shirt for sale that reads “Live ‘N Let Die With COVID 45.” The rock band unveiled the new shirt on its Twitter account on Wednesday, and posted it on its merchandise website The shirts sell for $25.00 each and all proceeds go to the MusiCares COVID-19 Relief Fund. At an Arizona factory that makes protective N95 face masks he did not wear a mask of his own. While there, employees played Guns N’ Roses’ 1991 hit “Live and Let Die” in the background. The music was so loud, it was nearly impossible to hear him speaking. The expression on his face while the song blasted over company speakers was "priceless!, he was truly p****d! LOL! Check-out the video: https://youtu.be/KzRhcjOG1es

HavasuGuy

shut - Thanks for the video, had a laugh watching it! His normally orange face turned a little red, didn't it!!!

BTW, the Rolling Stones are suing tRUMP's campaign for using their music just as a large number of other artists have done.

deaton

Good to see “ShutTFD” is keeping up with the current political discussion. However, I’ve never found “rock bands”, particularly “Guns & Roses” to be a reliable source for news? It does explain “ShutTFD’s” level of knowledge though? Kool-Aid anyone, it’s the Jim Jones recipe, from that tropical South American, paradise in Ghana! [thumbup][huh] Deaton

shutthefrontdoor

All I was attempting to do less those irrational references to rock 'n roll, Guns & Roses Kool Aid and Jim Jones stuff was to show Bozo in a real world element where no one is hanging on his every word . . . . . . . "dufus is as dufus does".

RESIST

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JTinAZ

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simon1dog

Trump will be reelected come November and I'll be drinking an Arnold Palmer to celebrate. Case closed :-)

HavasuGuy

simon - can you start drinking those Arnold Palmer's now and get off the Kool Aid you've been drinking?

simon1dog

Kool-Aid is fine unless a Democrat mixed up a pitcher. Jim Jones was a Democrat.

HavasuGuy

Wrong, it's a proven fact that Jim Jones was a communist, later supporting republican ideas.

BigBob

With his new wealth, Jones was able to travel to California and establish the first People's Temple in Ukiah, California, in 1965. Guarded by dogs, electric fences and guard towers, he set up Happy Havens Rest Home. Despite a lack of trained personnel, or proper licensing, Jones drew in many people to the camp. He had the elderly, prisoners, people from psychiatric institutions, and 150 foster children, transferred to care at Happy Havens by court orders. He was contacted by Christian missionaries from World Vision, an international evangelical order that had done espionage work for the CIA in Southeast Asia. He met "influential" members of the community and was befriended by Walter Heady, the head of the local chapter of the John Birch Society and used the members of his "church" to organize local voting drives for Richard Nixon's election, while working closely with the republican party. He was appointed chairman of the county grand jury.

BigBob

HG - yep, a drunk is a drunk - now or in November.

HavasuGuy

Boy, I'll say.... Where do these people come from?

RESIST

You will be so disappointed but have the drink anyway! I will say, your fake bravado is impressive, simon1dog!

HavasuGuy

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BigBob

Let’s look at what C/F’s support. The following was developed by Dr. Lawrence Britt who examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion..

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation are the ones who put government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

And the impeached guy squatting in our White House has attempted to put each of the above in place.

monicaphill

Two points I would like to make. First is that nearly every "Fasciist" regime was on the Left!! Second is that nearly All of these points are being done by the Democrats and BLM, Antifa, etc. on the Left.

BigBob

Nope.

HavasuGuy

BigBob - I can't believe how some of these tRUMP supporter twist and redefine facts and history, it is stunning!

Too old for this

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civilcop

Monica, great comments, you might mention that the KKK was a Democratic organization, that every city and state in turmoil including poverty, violence are run by Democrats. Seattle and know New York run by Democrats have given in to Antifa a communist attempt to destroy our great nation. I’ll end with Governor Cuomo did such a great job by putting Covid-19 patients in rest home killing how many Americans. You Trump haters need to stop living in the past I never owed a slave or killed a Black person. You need to get a hobby before you implode with your Hate for our President Trump.

Mr Lemons

BigRover: "Lawrence W. Britt is not a doctor in any field but a novelist who compiled fourteen points (plagiarized from Umberto Eco's "Ur-Facism") which he believes define a Fascist regime. He is a novelist, with no formal training in political science or history and so his views on fascism should be viewed objectively and as an opinion rather than as fact or as a definition. He is widely known for using rhetoric to equate the modern Republican party with fascism and his work is largely deemed to be political opinion rather than analysis or study. His arguments are examples of the fallacy of logic." Here's an example:

Salt is white

Chalk is white

Salt tastes good on a baked potato

Therefore chalk tastes good on a baked potato

HavasuGuy

BigBob - PERFECT! [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

Mr Lemons

Articles likes this are written do drive a wedge into President Trump's support. It uses people like vets, police, firemen, and teachers to mouth what the writer believes. For Trump supporters it relies on extremist stereotypes, e.g., birthers, anti-Muslim, gun-toters itching to shoot a protester. What you will never find (even in these comments) is why you should support Biden and Democrats. The question voters have to ask themselves is who most closely aligns with your core beliefs.

Lemonade

So your core beliefs are colluding with Russia to steal an election, locking up innocent children in cages, ignoring science to the detriment of 125,00 (and counting) dead Americans, and turning a blind eye to bounties being placed on the heads of our troops??? Or does it really just boil down to the fact that you are a racist who feels more comfortable with a white nationalist in office than someone who "played second fiddle" to our first Black President?

Mr Lemons

Didn't take long before the ol' racist card was played. A word that has lost it's meaning due to overuse.

Too old for this

Wow! The facts have shown that Trump did not collude with Russia to alter the outcome of the election; that Obama also locked up families of illegals. If they do not like this, they can stay home; there are no studies in which ALL scientists agree with how we should have handled the Covid-19 infection. That he chose to listen to one doctor, and you choose to listen to another is meaningless; where did it say that he supported the Russians putting bounties on the heads of American troops? I can see Obama doing that. He hated the military. ) One of the first signs of ignorance on a topic is when the other person pulls the race card out instead of a fact. You can have your own beliefs, but you can't have your own facts.[crying][crying][crying]

HavasuGuy

Lemonade - I think you hit the nail right on the head... Why else would they ignore his behavior and broken promises?

Objective Dialectic

Correction to Deaton and Too old for this- there was evidence found in the Mueller investigation that Russia interfered with the 2016 presidential election in a sweeping a systemic fashion that violated U.S. Criminal Law. So to say Russia did not interfere with the election is inherently false. What the investigation did not find however, was a direct association to Trump himself (although there was some circumstantial evidence that he was colluding). So I will give it to you that there was no direct proof that Trump colluded with Russia (even if the circumstantial evidence looks damning for the POTUS and his possible role). However, Russia did, in fact, interfere with our election. There is no denying that.

RESIST

Well, I couldn't have said it any better, Lemonade! [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

civilcop

Once again Liberal garbage, First Obama was a multicultural president, why do Liberal Socialist discount his White mother? Second lie, do yo even understand what it means to be an American? I am a proud America an and a minority, a retired cop who served twenty years in South Central Los Angeles who never killed a minority member of the community. As for the liberal talking points on the bounty issue, another Trump hater leeks unsubstantiated intelligence for liberals to run with. What interesting to me is how you Liberal Socialist support support people who wish to turn our country into a socialist country like Cuba. Remember it was the Democratic Party that brought the slaves to the colonies, it was the Democrats who wanted to keep slavery, the Democrats that formed the KKK, and the Democrats who wanted to keep the South segregated.

civilcop

You forgot to mention that we believe in God and Country the Constitution not the Socialist movement in the Democratic Party. Just a reminder every city and state in termoil is run by your Democratic Party. Welcome to CHAD, get a lif e.

pegymo

Would love to know what human could survive the barrage of BS that has covered this President. I'm voting for Trump, because I refuse to allow the ultra liberal to run and ruin this country. Whatever your life has been, with Democrats, it will truly be a "has Been". Is there no one that has this country and population's best interest at heart? Trump would have been the guy, if not for the continued harassment. I used to vote Democrat, but never again. Just look at the division of this country. You can read it right here in the comments. I did not vote for Obama, and didn't really agree with his policies, but I would never disrespect his position. This country is in trouble, deep trouble, and at this point I'm not sure any President can bring us together, no matter what party they belong to. The militant left are trying to take over the country, and the last time that happened, there was civil war, and the true history of that has been turned on it's ear by liberal educators. Young people don't do their homework, they allow others to educate them by opinion. These are dark days of the US, and we all play a part.

monicaphill

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deaton

Yup pegymo, they have shifted to the “full court press” with “fake news” and skewed polling. If you’re an “commodity” trader, I’m thinking “crying towels” is a good investment in the futures market with a big November payoff! Plus the LA Times is “wrong” about EVERYTHING! [thumbup][beam] Deaton

civilcop

Deacon good commentary, also having lived in Los Angeles County for 62-years the LA Times is a socialist rag that hates President Trump. The truth by the left is lacking.

HavasuGuy

pegymo - Have you considered that the respect that tRUMP gets has any relationship to the respect tRUMP gives? Respect for anyone needs to be earned, and if you can't see how disrespectful he has been to you and the others that voted for him, you might want to go back and revisit all the promises he made to you when he was running for office.

He had a better health plan for America, remember?

Mexico will pay for the wall.

He was going to stop ISIS dead in their tracks

He wasn't going to golf because he'd be too busy working for America.

The list goes on and on and you can easily see videos of what HE said and promised. I understand that a lot of tRUMP supporters don't even like him, they just hate the same people he hates...

RESIST

And, there it is!

RESIST

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monicaphill

This is not between Trump & Biden anymore!! It is now between a free America or a Totalitarian state!! Dont be fooled, BLM is just using the Black community. This is a cultural revolution taking place, nothing to do with African American rights!!

pegymo

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Objective Dialectic

So you're saying Biden would create a totalitarian state? Well, lets see what the facts are. First of all, with our constitution and the way this country is established, it would be very difficult for ANY president to have that much influence or power. Not even Trump can create a totalitarian state as much as he wishes he could.

Secondly, lets look at who shows more attributes towards wanting full power. Was it Biden who said he had "total" or "ultimate" authority to reopen the economy against the wishes of the states? Was it Biden who threatened to send out the military to the states to handle the riots against individual governor's wishes? Was it Biden who sent out the military police to disperse peaceful protesters just to have a photo op holding a bible? Was it Biden who said "When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's got to be?" Was it Biden who said "I have absolute right to do what I want with the Justice Department?" Was it Biden who said "I have the absolute right to pardon myself?" Was it Biden who said "I have an Article II (of the constitution), where I have the right to do whatever I want as president?" Was it Biden who separated families and locked children in cages? Is it Biden who consistently enforces rhetoric attacking the free press? Is it Biden who openly alienates and attacks Muslims and Latinos? Is it Biden who openly alienates and attacks with name-calling his opposing political party rather than trying to bridge the gap between our two major parties? Is it Biden who ignorantly disregards his own country's best and brightest scientists for political gain? Is it Biden who claimed that we should "decrease/stop covid-19 testing so we would see the numbers of those infected go down?" Interestingly enough, these are all words and actions of President Trump. I have never heard a single word from Biden's mouth that even resembles seeking or using "ultimate power." You can buy into all the conspiracy theories you want, but at the end of the day, it is President Trump who has made clear statements and taken clear action that disregards the wishes of others in his own abuse of power.

HavasuGuy

Thank you Objective, the blindness of these die hard tRUMP supporters is ridiculous. He has trampled our constitution and they say they are worried about what Biden MIGHT do? I belong to a couple of former tRUMP supporter Facebook pages and I can tell you, there is a large number of former supporters who are republicans and conservative that will not be voting for tRUMP this year.

Objective Dialectic

It's unbelievable. I have voted on both sides of the political spectrum over the years based on who I believed to be a good fit for our country. Never have I seen such extreme division and devotion to a president who completely lacks a moral compass or common sense.

monicaphill

What I am saying is that Trump created a great economy and helped ALL Americans to succeed! The virus came from China, not Trump. Also Biden will not create totalitarian state, he is barely able to function. His handlers will be the ones. I dont even think the Democrats know who they are in bed with anymore. The marxists and radical left will do there best to take over. I wont give up my country that easily!!

HavasuGuy

monica - Let me correct you, President Obama created a great economy and helped ALL Americans to succeed, tRUMP just rode on President Obama's success and just look at what he's done to that.

Covid-19 did come from China but by ignoring it and downplaying it tRUMP has failed America and the new strain of it is now referred to as the tRUMP-20 virus.

tRUMP says he has total and complete control as president, sounds totalitarian to me!

No one knows who tRUMP is in bed with right now! The fascists and radical right have already taken over and this beautiful and great country will not let them win!

Objective Dialectic

Monicaphill, interesting how you completely disregard all of the totalitarian-like comments by President Trump and claim the left are the totalitarians. Please give me any facts, quotes, etc. to persuade me that the left is seeking a totalitarian government, and give me ANY reason to disregard Trump's comments as an abuse of power.

And your comment "the virus came from China, not Trump." Your point? We all know where the virus originated and no one argues its origin. We are not stupid and we do not believe Trump caused the pandemic. What is obvious to most of us however, is that he lacks the leadership skills to handle this pandemic and lead America in such a time of crisis.

I'll be waiting for your accurate and well-thought-out response.

RESIST

And, it all points to trump's thirst for power, his cruelty, his greed and his hate! Why his supporters choose to overlook the vile things he has said and done, I don't know. Unless, they agree with him and that is a frightening thought!!

HavasuGuy

The only reason they support him is because he hates the same people they hate...

HavasuGuy

monica - are you trying to be funny?

BigBob

HG, one can only assume she's trying for a sarcasm award because no one can be that ignorant and still draw breath.

HavasuGuy

BigBob - Gosh I hope so!

1502

Trump acts just like a spoiled bully. He only cares about himself.

He has acted in this manner his entire life.

pegymo

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HavasuGuy

1502 - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

RESIST

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monicaphill

What it comes down to is not Trump or Biden! It is do we want a free America or a totalitarian state!! Biden would just be a figurehead for the marxist radicals. Dont be fooled. BLM could care less about black peoples rights!

Lemonade

Biden a Marxist? Do you even know what that means??? I suggest you turn off the Faux News for a minute, and educate yourself! Communist Russia was founded on Marxist principles, and Trump is the one who is in bed with Russia. If collusion to steal the 2016 election wasn't enough, now we are learning that he turned a blind eye to Russian bounties on the heads of our troops!?! I'm sorry, but it would appear you are the one who has been fooled. Look, Trump is a narcissist. If you don't have any personal experience with one, I can understand how you would be taken in. They are quite cunning. There is still time for you to put your country above party, and help get rid of our current traitor in chief before he has another four years to completely sell us out to Putin. Biden wasn't my first choice either - but he is the only clear choice now!

Objective Dialectic

Lemonade [thumbup] Perfectly said. Trump is a clear-cut narcissist. I too have experienced the emotional destruction of being under a narcissist's thumb, and now I have an eye for them. Easy to spot once you've been abused by one, and you'll never fall down that rabbit hole again. Trump only cares about himself, and no one else.

RESIST

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monicaphill

No Biden is NOT a Marxist! He will be used by them because he is weak and I am sorry to say not all there anymore! You are the one being fooled. The riots and tearing down our history is the first step to a totalitarian state. I would vote against the Democrats no matter who the Republicans had nominated! Like I said it is no longer between Trump & Biden.

BigBob

"our history?" You mean the history of traitors declaring war on the United States of America and killing thousands of Americans? Yes, that is "history" but losers don't get statues or monuments and the only flag they should allowed is the white banner of surrender. Supporting traitors is sedition and needs to be punished.

Lemonade

So, you admit that you put party over country?

HavasuGuy

monica - Do you read what you write before you post it? Look at how weak the republican party has been and their failure to really help tRUMP and put some controls on him. Havasu might have an edge in regards to tRUMP votes, but I assure you, the rest of the country loves America and they will not be supporting your traitor for president.

deaton

Capitulate to “Mob” and the “Mob” will only demand more! Why not you’ve already surrendered? Yesterday it was General Robert E. Lee, today it’s the “Sound of Music”, tomorrow it will be “Charlie Brown, Snoopy and Franklin, the black kid” in the“Peanuts” cartoon. It won’t stop! Why should it stop? They’ve got the Country on the run! They can “extort” anything they want! Heck they’ve already looted “Rodeo Drive”, “Park Avenue” seized 6 blocks of downtown Seattle and destroyed a Police Precinct Building! Run rabbits run! [thumbdown][ohmy] Deaton

Objective Dialectic

So Monicaphill, you believe that none of what we have seen over the last few months - the thousands dead from this pandemic, and the spiraling of the BLM movement into violence and chaos- has anything to do with the president currently in office? You believe that Trump has done everything in his power to ease tension and help both situations? You believe that Trump hasn't played any role at all in these situations worsening? If you believe that, how could you 1) support him [because let's face it, if he is doing the best he can, he is failing, or more likely, he just doesn't care which is even worse], and 2) how can you blame democrats for everything happening when they aren't in control now with our "all-powerful" president Trump currently holding office? The fact of the matter is ANY other past president, whether republican or democrat, would have listened to our Country's top scientists regarding the pandemic, and would have eased tension when it comes to the riots. Trump has failed us completely. No conspiracy theories about one party or another will change that.

civilcop

True Monica it’s the survival of our great nation.

JTinAZ

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HavasuGuy

Lemonade - You're right, there is only one clear choice to save America right now, Joe Biden 2020!

RESIST

[thumbup] Prepare for the Blue Tsunami!

civilcop

Again your Liberal misinformation; Trump has put more sanctions on Russia during his tenure than Obama did in eight years. Remember Obama’s open mike, “tell Putin I will be able to do so much more when I am reelected”. I will never forget Benghazi, and the billions Biden and Obama give to our enemy Iran. Is President Trump a politician like Biden (50 +years in government) who accomplished what? Biden a clear choice is an oxymoron.

Mr Lemons

monicaphill: I wonder why all these leftist-types came under the "spell" of a narcissist? You're right, BLM was founded by two Marxists. They said so themselves. They're intent on creating chaos and destruction and killing off the American culture. If you disagree with their movement and refuse to submit to them you're branded a racist. Even if you agree with them and you're white, you're still a racist. There is no absolution for your "sins" in their eyes. They and their leftist friends have infiltrated almost every aspect of American life.

HavasuGuy

Lemons, I assure you that I am not under the "spell" of tRUMP the biggest narcissist America has ever witnessed!

simon1dog

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simon1dog

All of my friends and family will be voting Trump 2020 and I have a lot of both. Only a loon would vote for "Crazy Joe" Biden. I doubt the person writing that article has spent much time Kingman. Finding a Biden supporter in that city would be like coming across a set of hen's teeth. Case closed.

Lemonade

Then you and all your friends and family are traitors who should be locked up right along with your "dear leader" whose list of crimes against this country is growing by the day. Case closed.

BigBob

Outstanding Lemonade! Thank you for the accuracy of your comment.[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

HavasuGuy

Lemonade - That would be beautiful and healthy for America!

deaton

Wow “ninetoes” and “Lemonade” have got up a “head of steam“! “Locked up as traitors” for voting? Sounds pretty “totalitarian” to me? Can I expect a visit by jack booted storm troopers in November? Sorry to hear about that “tenth toe” or maybe you should re-count them? [thumbup][tongue] Deaton

Lemonade

You're right, Deaton. Perhaps a better solution would be for all of you to voluntarily follow your dear leader to his buddy Epstein's abandoned private island to start your own country when he is done wrecking this one. By that time, all his remaining supporters will probably fit, and you can live out your "four more years" fantasy ad nauseum.

deaton

“Perhaps a better solution would be for all of you to voluntarily follow your dear leader to his buddy Epstein's abandoned private island” No Lemonade, I think l’ll remain right here in LHC, thank you. I’ll also be voting for our current President. I believe the late Jeffery Epstein’s best buddy is Slick Willy AKA former President Clinton a self confessed “philanderer” and predator who prayed on a female White House intern and who is believed to have done a lot of thinking with another appendage! As for that “shrinking” Trump support. I propose a contest to find the extremely rare “Joe Biden” campaign flag amongst the hundreds of “Trump 2020” campaign flags being displayed in LHC. If one is found please take a cellphone pic and share? [thumbup][whistling] Deaton

HavasuGuy

Lemonade - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

RESIST

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BigBob

"He plans to vote again for Trump in 2020..." As long as people are not smart enough to realize what the impeached guy is doing to our nation the smart ones will be faced with dumping him.

civilcop

Trump derangement sin-drum is well and alive in Havasu. Like all you haters I was once a Democrat until I realized the Democratic Party left me for a Socialist agenda.

HavasuGuy

Sure you were, civil, sure you were - a democrat that felt it was necessary to identify yourself above as, " a retired cop who served twenty years in South Central Los Angeles who never killed a minority member of the community". Was that a lie too?

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