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Mohave County Supervisors are discussing a resolution to declare Mohave County a “Second Amendment Sanctuary County.”

The board will meet at 9:30 a.m. Monday, in the County Administrative Building at 700 W. Beale St.

In August, the board adopted a resolution, supporting the City of Needles, California, in declaring their city a “Second Amendment Sanctuary City.”

The item was submitted by Board of Supervisors Chairwoman Hildy Angius of District 2.

In a memo attached to the agenda item, the establishment of a “Sanctuary County,” perceived as a movement for local jurisdictions to implement nationwide.

“Discussions with Mohave County Sheriff Doug Schuster, have also indicated that law enforcement is in support of this movement,” the memo reads.

The proposed resolution includes a 30-page attachment, including the 2010/2013 Alaska law, which declared certain firearms and accessories exempt from federal regulation, and made it unlawful for any state assets to go toward the enforcement of federal gun laws.

This document is followed by some recent media clips that warn against new federal restrictions, such as the “red flag” law that would permit police or family members to petition to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person that presents a danger to others or themselves.

The U.S. Constitution adopted the Second Amendment in 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights, protecting the inalienable and individual right of the people to keep and bear arms.

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tomgarven

I am not a big gun advocate but things like this scare the heck out of me. Here is the exact text of the second amendment. ""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

So someone please remind me again WHY after 228 years we now have to create a SEPARATE piece of legislation to protect our RIGHT to keep and bear arms? What has changed in our society that requires that we now must APPARENTLY restate one of our constitutional RIGHTS adopted way back in 1791. What PORTION or portions of our constitution will we next have to restate to preserve our individual freedoms?

I believe I have a few ideas why we might be heading down this path but I will leave those rebuttals to those far more skilled at answering the WHY'S than myself.

What has changed in our society to make this necessary and why do you believe these changes are either good or bad for America? I welcome all opinions.

Dawn King

Maybe it's the types of weapons that have changed a little bit over the last couple hundred years that has something to do with it.....?

simon1dog

No, last time I looked they still fired bullets.

tomgarven

Yes they do. [thumbup]

tomgarven

Interesting comment Dawn. The flintlock firearm was used in the United States from about 1660 to about 1840 according to Google. In fact, to this date we still manufacturer them for individuals who are recreational shooters or those involved in international competitions using such weapons. Not all weapons end up in the wrong hands or the hands of individuals who are less than mentally stable.

But here is the thing, according to our current definition of a firearm they are not even considers to be one. Under existing law flintlocks or mussel loading type weapons are not consider weapons even though they file a projectile and can easily kill another human at 100 yards. And of course flintlocks were used in wars.

The average rate of fire of a flint lock is about 2 rounds per minute in the hands of an experienced person. So how does that compare to today's weapons. Well a single shot bolt action rifle of almost any size with an experience shooter can easily fire at least 30 rounds per minute if you can find a magazine that holds that many rounds. These types of weapons became generally available in large numbers in the early 1900's and were sold to the general public for use in hunting and predator control in many local hardware stores and are still sold today.

And then we invented the semi automatic rifle with firing rates from about 150 to over 600 rounds per minute however most weapons of this nature at least in the beginning were not sold to the general public. They were NOT generally sold by specialized manufacturers until those manufacturers realized that there was money to be made selling this type of weapon to the general public. And their use for hunting is certainly questionable. What self respecting hunter would even admit they went hunting with an AR-15 or AK-47 with a 30 shot clip and missed what they were shooting at. Any self respecting hunter would never admit to such poor hunting skills. Most hunters strive to become one shot hunter.

So we have went from about 2 rounds per minute to well over 600 rounds per minute and yet the level of violence against the general public at least to me did not really start to manifest itself until we passed laws prohibiting the purchase of some types of these weapons. And of course there have been other contributing factors such as a perceived increase in criminal behavior and certainly a trend within some groups of individuals who do not believe it is important to follow our laws.

It appears to me that if you want to increase the demand for something just propose prohibiting it and demand will increase. So I often wonder, how do firearm manufacturers increase demand which will increase profits? What is their role in encouraging things like government buy back programs or the collection of firearms just short of the implementation of such legislation so sales will increase?

Today many Americans WANT an AR-15 or AK-47 for many reasons. Some because they are fun to shoot. Some for criminal activities and even some for perceived home protection however I doubt they are very effective at the close range that exists inside a home. And sure there is a limited number who take one hunting however you won't find me in that crowd. But if we pass legislation that authorizes our government to collect AR-15 and AK-47's will that actually increase the demand for these weapons and increase the gun show market or black market for such weapons? My guess is yes it will and heavens forbid we start having police officers shot while they try to collect some peoples guns.

My guess is that we would be better off encouraging training and teaching responsible gun ownership instead of taking actions that seem to increase demand.

I am not a big fan of giving our government with its 18% approval rating additional actions to perform. When was the last time you went to a car mechanic or took a child to a doctor who had an approval rating of 18%. Hopefully never, ha ha. Thankfully We-The-People have far more common sense than most branches of our government have.

Very good thought provoking posting Dawn. Have a great day.

tomgarven

Please see below.

deaton

I think these resolutions or declarations of sanctuary whether of immigration or 2nd Amendment just state that the law enforcement agencies within the jurisdiction of what ever law making body passed the resolution “will not enforce or assist in the enforcement of what ever State or Federal laws are being challenged with “sanctuary” resolutions. It doesn’t mean these laws can’t be enforced by agencies outside the jurisdiction of the law making authority. I don’t think a Countywide resolution of 2nd Amendment sanctuary, is necessary or helpful! I agree with Ms King that this Supervisor Angius is pandering to the firearm freedom group of voters. Arizona has some of the least restrictive firearms laws in the nation! Anyone not adjudicated a “prohibited possessor” can carry open or concealed anywhere except specific designated areas and private property owners can prohibit carry on property they own and control. I maintain my concealed carry permit only because it carries “reciprocity” with “I think” 38 other States! Which means they accept my Arizona CCW permit. HowdyRovr, will now point out where I’m WRONG! [thumbup][beam] Deaton

VA172

Rovr has got to tone things down a little. Some of his comments are getting deleted. lol

HwyRovr

"HwyRovr" - Nope, not mine. Maybe Simple's.

simon1dog

Howdy's are. Sunset keeps hitting the "report" button when she gets called out. Milk toast, both of them. They can dish it out but not take it.

VA172

Rovr, what happened to your comment about deaton having a fetish toward you. Guess it got changed to 'comment deleted'. You lie all the time.

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VA172

Be Nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.

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VA172

" claimed I have a mental defect in believing that you love me." Your the one that keeps saying he does.

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deaton

Wow Gomer, your SHRAPNEL must be all wound up tonight, to have you looking up sexual fetish’s on Web-MD, was that a head shot you took in the NAM! We’re there any “dirty pictures” included in the article. C’ya [thumbup][beam] Deaton

HavasuGuy

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] I agree deaton

VA172

WOW. HG agrees Rovr is nasty!

HwyRovr

Always fun to see Capt Sillyhat express his adoration for me no matter the subject.

He cannot help himself, he has to mention me, quote me, cast aspersions on my numerous careers and show his obsession with my war wounds. Makes one think he suffers from Teratophilia a fetish that involves being attracted to people with physical deformities, one division is stigmatophilia that refers to deriving sexual pleasure from people whose bodies are marked or scarred in some way. I am always honored by his attention, but sadly cannot return his love.

VA172

You had this comment deleted once already and now you're going to try posting again. Not going to work.

tomgarven

And I agree deaton. And I see an increasing trend in what I call the selective implementation of our laws by certain people or groups of people. To me this is a very serious and increasingly difficult problem for our society to resolve. We are either a law abiding society or we become a democracy instead of a republic. I prefer the republic we have enjoyed for over 240 years.

HavasuGuy

[thumbup][thumbup][thumbup] I agree Tom, the Constitution guarantees our rights, not some piece of paper on a supervisor's desk...

Dawn King

I'm going to play the devil's advocate on this matter and say that Mohave County has just as much right (a little more than none) as states and cities have to declare themselves sanctuaries from Immigration enforcement. However, these types of actions will have unintended consequences because it turns all laws into "suggestions." As for Needles, it wasn't gun laws that made the railroad jobs go away and choked off freeway traffic such that even a 99 cent store can't survive. That bathroom stop of a town can make itself as gun-friendly as Arizona and that won't "make Needles great again." That being said, gun laws are a fruitful source of pandering for politicians on both sides of the aisle, and these politicians are leveraging an identity issue to pander to voters who long to see itself as victims. And when guns are purchased as tools of cultural or political outrage, I support increased regulation of gun sales.

simon1dog

How dense can a person get? Clueless x 10 = Zero

Dawn King

Luv u 2, Simon! Happy Halloween!

JVW

Dementia Dawn. Ones again you have no idea what your Squawking about

HwyRovr

"Once" - "you're" - still dumber than a box of Palin's I see.

HwyRovr

Oh good, another reason for the gun nuts to move here.

bob b

Oh, good! Another reason for Liberals to move elsewhere!

simon1dog

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HwyRovr

Nope, we're gonna stay right here and bug the hell out of you idiots.

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HwyRovr

Bray on mule, bray on.

VA172

So now it's 'mule'!

simon1dog

Most excellent idea! It has a nice ring to it.

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simon1dog

…and he returned just to get under your skin :-)

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