Editor: Iam 75 years old and watching the slow death of America is too painful. Let’s just get it over with. The Republicans are terrible but the Democrats seem to have all the right answers. Not necessarily in this order but we quickly outlaw all religion, destroy all of our history, every bit of it. You know, start fresh. Open all borders, close down all jails and prisons. Keep crime as illegal but no punishment for those who don’t play nice. Works well in New York. All drugs will be legal and free. Works well in California. Confiscate all guns. Works well in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit and other fine Democratically led crime free cities. No police and no military. Free education, free food, free rent, free medical. Import everything from China. No more reason to protest, riot or loot. Peace, love and understanding will carry the day. Sex, drugs and Rock and Roll. Hope San Francisco hasn’t copyrighted that phrase. It has such a lovely ring to it. How do we pay for all of this you might stupidly ask? We turn over all of our assets to the government. They do so well now it can only get better when they own everything. If for some reason that doesn’t quite work out we print more money. As a last resort we get the millionaires and billionaires to cover any shortages. Distribution of poverty. Sorry, I mean distribution of wealth. Perfect. We know how well government taking care of our every need worked for the Native Americans. We will be saved when the entire country mirrors California and New York. What could possibly go wrong? Vote Democrat and be happy. Peace out.

Gary Miller

Lake Havasu City

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deaton

Gary, food for thought! ( Ben Domeneche, The Federalist ):

THE GREAT AWOKENING:

Survey: A majority of Very Liberal and nearly half of Liberal respondents favor eliminating Mount Rushmore. Eric Kaufmann. http://vlt.tc/3zvx “Here is what I asked people to agree or disagree with:

Rebalance the history taught in schools until its voices and subjects reflect the demographics of the population and heritage of Native people and citizens of color

Move, after public consultation, to a new American anthem that better reflects our diversity as a people

Rename our cities and towns until they match the demographics of the population

Rebalance the art shown in museums across the country until an analysis of content shows that it reflects the demography of the population and perspective of Native people and citizens of color

Move, after an open public process, to a new name for our country that better reflects the contributions of Native Americans and our diversity as a people

Rename our states until they better reflect the heritage of Native people and citizens of color

Gradually replace many older public buildings with new structures that don’t perpetuate a Eurocentric order, until a more representative public space is achieved

Respectfully remove the monument to four white male presidents at Mount Rushmore, as they presided over the conquest of Native people and repression of women and minorities

Allow our public parks to return to their natural state, before a European sense of order was imposed upon them

Move, after public consultation, to a new American flag that better reflects our diversity as a people

Consider adopting a new national language, that will be forged from the immigrant and Native linguistic diversity of this country’s past

Remove existing statues of white men from public spaces until the stock of statues matches the demographics of the population

Gently remodel the statue of liberty to make it better reflect the diversity of America

Rename our streets and neighbourhoods until they match the demographics of the population

Move, after public consultation, to a new American constitution that better reflects our diversity as a people

Begin changing the layout of our cities, towns, and highways, moving away from the grid system to follow the more natural trails originally used by Native people

“Every one of these proposals represents a radical blow to American cultural nationhood. Yet figure 1 shows that six of them carry the support of more than 50 percent of committed liberals—that is, all liberals who did not answer “neither agree nor disagree” to a statement. Eight are backed by a majority of the 40 percent of liberals who identify as “very liberal.” Some 80 percent of those who have made up their mind would replace the national anthem and constitution. With the shifts in opinion we have seen in the past decade, and in the aftermath of the Black Lives Matter protests, the views of these leftists are a good bellwether of where things are headed.

Stop the world, I want to get off! [thumbdown][ohmy] Deaton

Davel2

Mr Lemons... Once again I'm sorry to be back here after stating I was done with it, but OD can be very persuasive. You can't be serious Mr. Lemons. Rather then address the elephant in the room you are going to say that BLM is a Marxist Organization. What are you really saying? The millions of people that are out in the street, 95% protesting peacefully, are all Marxist or are you saying that a Marxist has no right to complain about unarmed black men being killed by Police using excessive force? Perhaps you're saying that Marxist are infiltrating the country and making both black and white people march together in protest; therefore: making the protest null and void. You do understand that you being a Trump Supporter makes you a "Special Type of Republican," to be polite, but no less an American than an American who believes in Marxism. For several of you the issue is simple to look for ways to discredit the protest. Some use the unfortunate violence as an excuse and some think of it as the Police versus the Protestors, but no matter their excuse, their real motivation is that they simply don't support the real reason for these protest or support any needed change. My point, no matter what you say there is no justification for the fact that unarmed black men are being killed by Police in disproportionate numbers. It's just more straw man arguments like Trump tries to make with every issue and in doing so solves nothing and just pulls the country further apart. I'm sorry, but some of these comments are more ridiculous than the letter to the editor itself. I mean, Too old actually alluding to black people wanting to take over the country and make us white folk pick cotton. I was wondering how long it would take to turn this into a black versus white issue and now I know. Of course, then you get offended when people call you a racist. Think about it.

HavasuGuy

Davel2 - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

Mr Lemons

You're arguing with yourself. Think about it.

Davel2

Mr Lemons, That does not surprise me, as you never have an answer to any question. Just the narrow-minded perspective you hold on everything is all you're interested in. That's to bad.

deaton

No it’s not “Twit”. Since when is a “perspective” narrow-minded or otherwise not permitted? This is America where all “perspectives” are permitted, even the “garbage” rovR** harangues us with on 24/7/365 basis! Oh and your “condescension” is showing! [thumbup][whistling] Deaton

JVW

Davel-Poo 95%? interesting number What hole did you pull that out of? BLM is a racist group. They should be called Some Black lives Matter that would be truthful. You keep throwing ridiculous comments with no statistics. Let us hear the numbers throw up some ratios of crime and murders committed. Do you know? Do you really care? Does race really matter? When you find the Statistics you will understand how ridiculous your paragraph is. You are contributing to pulling our country apart. I will leave you some enlightenment below real statistics With a real live black American. My friend Larry

https://youtu.be/XPkkjvANE10

Davel2

JVW, Your friend Larry? Do you think that any rational person takes the information that he puts out there seriously? I'm glad you like Larry and consider him your friend, a fine black man because he says what your "white privilege" wants to hear. That's like saying you know it's true because Rush or Laura Ingraham said so. LOL Actually the 95% came from reliable sources as to how many protestors are not taking part in violent behavior. But then I'm talking about the protestors and why they are out there and you're talking about black crime as if to say, why should BLM care about the police using deadly force on unarmed black men when their general crime statistics are so much higher than the numbers of unarmed black men killed by Police. What an excuse to disavow the protest. Thank you for proving my point and at least you did try, but Sorry POO, you really should learn to read and comprehend before you start believing you can set me straight. But you keep practicing. as I said, you did try, and I appreciate that, unlike Mr Lemons.

JVW

Davel-Poo. Yes. I know Larry personally I also knew his Mother and his Brother. You can LOL Sling your White privilege continue to lay out all the D-S's Race talking points but it will not change the facts. Davel-Poo you set your self Straight with this goofy response. No numbers I see. All Vomit thats all you D/S's got! You Davel-Poo are called out your 95% BS. Just like Lil BoB AKA lil rovR, HG and the other Donkeys on this form. I would also like to know how can I have white privilege?? Come on lil-Poo

I WANT TO SEE YOUR STATISTICS

Davel2

JVW, First let me say, if you get your statistics from Fox, Rush, or your friend Larry, they are going to twist the numbers to fit their narrative. It's the same for MSNBC, CNN, and all the liberal sources that you probably never watch anyway. So before I pull a number out of my hole as you say, I use government produced statics to make my claims, and even that you sometimes have to take those with a grain of salt and question the formula they used to establish their final result. In the case of the 95%, cities

have simply estimated crowd sizes and compared them to the numbers of arrest made for vandalism and violent behavior, thus 95% were protesting peacefully. Of course that may not include those who were simply not caught, but that can be offset by the margin of error in estimating the crowd size. Beyond that, other estimations, especially for those who are opposed to the protest, are going to be whatever they want them to be, or want to believe I should say. The Bureau of Justice Statistics is a good source for information as they collect data and make it available without trying to frame it in a way to fit someone's "special" perspective. Having said all this, You are using crime statistics to make your point, while I am using different statistics to make mine. My original point was, I believe you are using your findings to justify your anger over the violence and lack of support for the actual reason for the protest . That reason simply

being that more unarmed black men are killed disproportionately compared to other demographics by aggressive Policeman. BLM along with many other citizens want this overly aggressive behavior of some Police stopped. This statistic is supported by blacks being just under 13% of the overall population compared to the number of similar reported incidents involving whites and other. One last thing, the "white privilege" was

based on the fact that as white people, we don't experience the racism that has been evident for decades when we apply for a job, walk through a white neighborhood, etc. This term was not used as an insult, but to make clear that racism does exist and we should not deny it. I hope I have made myself clear without being to long winded, as I don't want to bore Mr Lemons who prefers to communicate in short snippy one-sided sentences. Sort of like on a macro-level where Republicans being automatically

programmed to say something is black if Democrats say it is white and than everyone wonders why nothing ever gets done in this country. Thank you for your question Poo, it's appreciated by this Democratic Socialist Donkey who Vomits up facts,

that are BS... Seriously... Was all that necessary to simply ask how I arrived at my numbers? There is a difference in being condescending and just being crass.

JVW

Davel-Poo As I said Show us your numbers don't just pull a Lil rovR AKA lil bOb and write a saga with no real facts or Statistics. Socialist Democrats are sick they play Twister with words you're a pathetic human I feel sorry for you!..

I never said your Hole read what I asked. What hole. A dark hole apparently so dark you cant name it LMAO. BJS.gov has been inactive since 2012. End of your BS.

The BLM White privilege the 13% Bla-Bla you post is like your Handle #2

You and people like you are Pathetic, Yes Pathetic Get some help!.. Sad existence posting lies and #2

I want you to do real work with a open mind love your hate in the toilet where it belongs.

The Democrat party is the Party of Jim Crow Thats a Fact. Thats why Democrats want to destroy history never will you hear Democrats denounce the violence like you they thrive on it. Plan and Simple.

Davel2

JVW... Obviously you did not read all that I had written as I explained where I was getting my numbers from. As I have said before, the party that was leading the South during the Civil War and later in history becoming known as the Dixiecrats, has no bearing on solving the issues we have today. Wrong is wrong, no matter the party. It is just an excuse for you to take a shot at Democrats. However, you did see fit to be as nasty as possible with me, so you will understand if I never respond directly to you again. It's fine with me because, I truly have no use for people who think like you. Your limited in your ability to be objective, to show empathy, and to express yourself intelligently. These same undesirable traits are also obvious in Trump and is why you support him and parrot his rhetoric. You simply see yourself in him and since he is the President, he has provided you the motivation to talk and behave like you do. I was simple trying to reason with you and find some common ground. Obviously that's not possible. In fact, If it was up to me, I would make it illegal for you and those like you, to vote based on the aforementioned inabilities you possess. That's something that would actually "Make America Great Again." Good luck to you with all that anger.

JVW

Davel-Poo. Pull the Out the Empathy card talking point. So original. Kicking the can Here we go No numbers no facts No statistics a phony Website non active since 2012. I bet you don't want to answer me ever again. Signature move from people like you. Don't you worry Davel-Poo. I will and would love to school you on the Dixiecrats as well. "Express myself intelligently". Must be My white privilege right. You are a Fake you hide behind your keyboard post lies. "Angry" I don't get angry. I have a special place in my Heart for you. As I said. I feel sorry for you, you're Sad and a pathetic person thats not anger. "You have no use for People like me", I bet hard to get called out for misrepresenting the truth Fake post Fake Data. You are trying to reason with me.... Come on you can do better that that Pathetic. Then in a fit of Anger you let your communist colors out " If it was up to me, I would make it illegal for you and those like you, to vote based on the aforementioned inabilities". You my friend are a Communist that hates freedom and its crystal clear..

But I will never show Empathy for a self described Socialist that I really believe is a Communist that works to enable destruction of our country. The best country in the world

Keep America Great

deaton

JVW, You’re going to wind up hurting the “Twit’s” feelings. He tried this “Oh so superior” act with me too with a statement like this, “you really should learn to read and comprehend before you start believing you can set me straight.” The guy is a complete “Marxist” thank God there are still many folks, with enough life experience, left in the Country who see right through his BS. I fear that you’re going to wind on the “twits” ignore list! [thumbup][whistling] Deaton

JVW

Deaton Thank you. These people are sick. They hate God, Country, Flag and want to twist and destroy history and its sad for our future generations. A couple things gave me the red a$$ one was the demonization of our Law enforcement. The other day one of these Dim lights posted insults about you and your 25+ year career in law enforcement. Making some dysfunctional comments about your service/retirement. Just sick and needs to be addressed, we need to hammer these chaps on all the propaganda they spew. Thank you for your service Deaton theres a lot of us that appreciate you and your service to your country and city's. Thanks.

Objective Dialectic

JVW your comment about "these people hating God, their country, their flag?" Do you hear yourself? Beyond delusional, and certainly unreachable with reason.

BigBob

Off topic, but important - Another setback was handed down by the courts to our impeached president today when a federal appeals court ruled the impeached thief cannot steal funds from the military to spend on his massive ego edifice, he promised the American people “Mexico would pay for.”

The court ruled 2 – 1 that diverting $2.5 billion Congress had appropriated for the military violated the Constitution and is unlawful. The executive branch "lacked independent constitutional authority to authorize the transfer of funds," Judge Sidney R. Thomas wrote for the majority. "These funds were appropriated for other purposes, and the transfer amounted to 'drawing funds from the Treasury without authorization by statute and thus violating the Appropriations Clause.' Therefore, the transfer of funds was unlawful."

JVW

Liil bOb AKA lil rovR. You're Always Off Topic.

Proudindependent

Simon simon simon, only an un-informed fool would support the fool in office. As recently seen, all medical experts recommend wearing face coverings and not assembling in large groups, so what does the fool do, hold a rally where no one wore a face covering including eh fool in charge. The fool couldn't have handled the covid crisis worse, and he still continues to show his complete lack of leadership.

BigBob

Well said, PI! Thank you. [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

HavasuGuy

Proud - [thumbup][thumbup][thumbup]

HavasuGuy

YES! Remove those false idols from America, the land that God has Blessed!

BigBob

You got it HG. Losers do not get statues, monuments or plagues. These people were traitors and nothing more when they declared war against the United States of Amereica. And the only :flag" that should be allowed is the white banner of surrender.

HavasuGuy

BigBob, yes they did lose and killed Americans loyal to the United States of America. Where I come from those are know as traitors, why would anyone want to celebrate them?

deaton

rovR ** & HavasuGuy [batman], of course by this same reasoning all 56 men who signed the “Declaration of Independence” including Ben Franklin, John Adams, et al, are treasonous, traitors when they declared war against Great Britain in 1776? That all “Union Jacks” symbolizing the “Special Relationship” between two “Allies” must be ripped from the flag staffs on “London Bridge“ in LHC and anywhere else it is displayed within in the borders of the United States including the United Kingdom’s Embassy’s and Consulates’s! Yup that’s going to work out well? It’s time for the ”Twit” to sound off now, come’on Davel2! [thumbup][tongue] Deaton

Mr Lemons

BigBob, you need to dig a little deeper:

"To present their “demands” more completely, the Black Lives Matter Network joined dozens of like-minded groups to found the Movement for Black Lives, sit on its “united front,” and adopt its policy platform."

Here's the 2020 platform:

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/

BigBob

As usual hyperbolic nonsense is overriding the common sense principals of BLM. The post uses the buzzword “Marxist,” proving he has no idea what a Marxist is.

The principles of BLM include, “…creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic, and political power to thrive. Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.”

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is powerful because of its membership, partners, supporters, and staff with a continued commitment to liberation for all Black people continuing the work of their ancestors and fighting for the collective freedom. BLM works for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

“We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others. We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location. We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered. We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work. We cultivate an inter-generational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn. We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another.”

Too old for this

Those lofty and idealistic words came from a time when BLM wanted to try and appear to be a valid voice for the Black community. Those days are long gone. Watch the recent "peaceful" protests, aka riots where BLM forgot about those words. They are little more than a domestic terrorist organization today, with goals of a Black nation right here in the USA by any means necessary.

Mr Lemons

BigBob - Buzzword or not, here's what the founders of BLM said: Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report.

Cullors, 36, was the protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview.

“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.

“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,” https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/

Mr Lemons

Hawk Newsome is a Black Lives Matter activist/Marxist/terrorist. The founders of BLM are Marxists. There's no need to "clarify" what he said. I'm sure he wouldn't want another "toxic white male racist" to explain what he said.

What does BLM believe in?

All black Americans should receive a guaranteed minimum income.

All black Americans should receive free healthcare, schooling, food, real estate, gender reassignment surgery, and abortion.

That the United States should "end all jails."

Disrupt and abolish the traditional nuclear family.

Reparations on behalf of foreign nations

Form a global liberation movement that will overturn US imperialism and capitalism.

And there's a lot more that they believe in so you should check out their website. It's all there. I'm sure by just writing what they believe in that I'll be branded a racist. But that's ok. According to them, the day that I was born I became a racist.

That I'm a white male makes me a racist, no matter my character or actions. If I deny this accusation, well then that's because I'm a racist. It's a no-win situation.

BigBob

More comments by Hawk Newsome clarify his comments -

Newsome said, "because this country is built upon violence. What was the American Revolution, what's our diplomacy across the globe? We go in and we blow up countries and we replace their leaders with leaders who we like. So for any American to accuse us of being violent is extremely hypocritical.” – “I don't condone nor do I condemn rioting," Newsome added. "But I'm just telling you what I observed. Nobody's talking about ambushing police officers. We're talking about protecting lives. There's nothing more American than that. We talk about uplifting and upholding the Second Amendment but it seems to be the hypocrisy of America that when black people start talking about arming themselves and defending themselves, [that] talk is 'violent'. But when white people grab assault rifles and go to our nation's, their state capitals, it's all good."

Addressing the Southern Christian Leadership Conference convention in 1967, King urged his audience to "be dissatisfied until that day when nobody will shout, 'White power!' when nobody will shout, 'Black power!', but everybody will talk about God's power and human power.' "I love the Lord and my Lord and savior," Newsome responded to MacCallum, "Jesus Christ is the most famous black radical revolutionary in history. And he was treated just like Dr King. He was arrested and he was also crucified or assassinated. This is what happens to black activists. We are killed by the government."

Cooldan

"if this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It's a matter of interpretation." A comment made by BLM president Hawk Newsome. Changing the system? Now is what Gary Miller saying that farfetched? Ask Venezuelans or Cuban Americans old enough to remember the revolution.

Mr Lemons

Cooldan [thumbup]

simon1dog

Gary, Thank You for the wise thoughts! Yes, only "uninformed fools" fail to see what garbage the Democrat Party has to offer. Thank God all my friends and family are voting Trump in 2020. Yes, somebody raised them people right and I was one of them :-)

BigBob

It is absolutely amazing just how much utter garbage shows up in these pages.

CVA-42

Too bad the article has a lot of truth in it.

snd

Truth hurts and you BigBob are shoveling the most garbage on these pages.

BigBob

I will once again issue the challenge that has gone ignored for months and months. I invite you to take any comment I have posted and point out the errors? All of you usual suspects are quick to attack and yet are unable to prove me wrong.

HavasuGuy

It amazes me how that simple little comment always gets them to crawl back into their little holes and go quiet....

deaton

Don’t need to prove anything rovR**, your idiotic, foolish garbage is self evident, except to maybe HavasuGuy [batman] and Proudindi, the feeble minded are easily deceived! [thumbup][love] Deaton

deaton

And other people have “lives” to live! Unlike you who does 24/7/365 here in the TNH “comments” you too could use a “life” rovR** [thumbdown][whistling] Deaton

deaton

Yoo-hoo HavasuGuy [batman] how’s your T-blocker working for you? Did you give the upper class Twit a link to where he can download “T-blocker”, is that a free “App”? I’m loving this “free fire zone” being everyone’s ignore list! C’ya [batman] Deaton [thumbup][tongue]

deaton

Yup it is amazing, utter garbage, all of which is authored by you rovR** [thumbdown][tongue_smile]

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